[MD] dualism

[skutvik at online.no]

Hi Heather

12 Feb. you commented my:

> [Bo] I don't know if Dan's statement was meant to be
> MOQ-based, i.e: that he thinks that the S/O (mind/matter) chasm is
> bridged by the said equation, but that is not so. It's a purely
> scientific (intellectual) thing... 

> Energy equals Matter.  This means energy is
> matter.  So, what's mind without energy/matter?  

You may have had some epiphany (no sarcasm) but please let's 
keep science - physics preferably - apart from metaphysics, I'm 
tired of all this new age - new physics - that supposedly has 
bridged the mind/matter chasm, and those who believe that the 
MOQ is more of the same. I'm not the one who speak of what 
mind is without energy ...etc. I say that the mind/matter (S/O) 
distinction is the (value of the) static intellectual level and 
consequently isn't how reality is made up, only how it looks like 
from intellect's limited view.       

> Is
> the clay pot just clay or a pot?  I'd say both, but I
> can't say where clay stops and pot begins.  It is
> simply a clay pot. As information passes through
> wires everyday and night, can I point out the
> information and divide it from the energy?  Is the
> energy in the wires a carrier or the information
> itself?  Again, it is both, I'd say.

But this is language that (according to intellect)  has "clay" as a 
substance and "pot" as a function, and what will we gain by 
blurring this great achievement?  In ancient times (when social 
value was top notch) language still had this non-divided quality 
and various utensils, pots f.ex. were buried with the deceased to 
help in the next world (I don't think they believed that a pot would 
survive [they were intelligent] it was the "pottishness"  that would)  
A particular word might also be used in a chanting ritual to invoke 
its power. You obviously have a yearning for the social existence, 
and so did P. while writing ZMM  where the old Aretê times 
became his "lost paradise", but the later MOQ sets all this into a 
greater perspective.    

IMO

Bo