[MD] the MOQ and its environment

skutvik at online.no skutvik at online.no
Wed Feb 21 00:04:11 PST 2007


Platt and Kevin

On 18 Feb. Kevin Perez wrote to Platt who had written:

> > Our concepts (intellectual patterns) can change reality. Not long
> > ago the reality was that sun revolved around the earth. Then along
> > came Galileo.
 
Kevin:
> Agreed.  There are the realities that are our separate individual and
> collective perceptions.  A person and a civilization see the earth as
> the center of the universe and it is so. If there is a greater reality
> I suppose it depends on whether or not one realizes oneness or
> separateness. I realize oneness.  Kevin

What Kevin agrees about is beyond me.

As shown by the quotation from ZMM Pirsig made a point of 
reality yielding to new theories about it, Platt's about how Galileo 
changed our cosmological outlook is a classical example. 
However most people will regard this as ignorance being 
replaced by knowledge - intellectual expansion!

Something else is a metaphysics - the absolute basic notion of 
reality - being replaced by another. This is no expansion of the 
former and  has not happened since the S/O metaphysics 
replaced the "Aretê Metaphysics" (as described in ZMM) so we 
have no experience with such an upheaval, the said cosmological 
shift being peanuts. All we know is expansions of SOM or 
intellect. 

So now that we have a new metaphysics on our hands we have 
trouble understanding the enormity of it. Kevin is absolute sure 
that the MOQ is a "philosophy and therefore an intellectual 
pattern", and Platt is worried about the MOQ leaving intellect - 
leaving REASON - and THAT is a valid point. My comfort is that 
the level-struggle aspect between intellect and MOQ is a "low-
high" thing, not the orter way, the MOQ will not start a crusade 
against its own highest static level...

Why some regards the intellectual level being subordinate to the 
DQ/SQ reality (SOM subordinate to the MOQ) such a "lese-
majesty" I don't understand. Maybe Kevin will enlighten me.

Bo.                              









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