[MD] the MOQ and its environment

[Kevin Perez]

Hello Bo,
 
> Kevin:
>> Agreed.  There are the realities that are our separate individual and
>> collective perceptions.  A person and a civilization see the earth as
>> the center of the universe and it is so. If there is a greater reality
>> I suppose it depends on whether or not one realizes oneness or
>> separateness. I realize oneness.  Kevin
 
Bo:
> What Kevin agrees about is beyond me.
 
I agree there was a time when saying the sun revolved around the earth
corresponded to what most people understood to be real and that Galileo did
something to change that.
 
I don't agree that concepts have the power to change reality.  This kind of
language attributes to both concepts and reality an artificial existence, imo.
Nothing exists in a vacuum.  Interaction (i.e., the Quality event) is everything.
 
> As shown by the quotation from ZMM Pirsig made a point of 
> reality yielding to new theories about it, Platt's about how Galileo 
> changed our cosmological outlook is a classical example. 
> However most people will regard this as ignorance being 
> replaced by knowledge - intellectual expansion!
 
Bo:
> Something else is a metaphysics - the absolute basic notion of 
> reality - being replaced by another. This is no expansion of the 
> former and  has not happened since the S/O metaphysics 
> replaced the "Aretê Metaphysics" (as described in ZMM) so we 
> have no experience with such an upheaval, the said cosmological 
> shift being peanuts. All we know is expansions of SOM or 
> intellect. 
 
And a notion of reality may be real but it's not reality.
 
> So now that we have a new metaphysics on our hands [...]
 
It's not on my hands.
 
> Why some regards the intellectual level being subordinate to the 
> DQ/SQ reality (SOM subordinate to the MOQ) such a "lese-
> majesty" I don't understand. Maybe Kevin will enlighten me.
 
You attribute to me a wisdom that just ain't there.
 
It seems to me the MOQ's existence is entirely an artifact of its environment.
Change its environment and you change the MOQ.  Control its environment and
you control the MOQ.  Eliminate its environment and you eliminate the MOQ.
 
Thoughts?
 

Kevin
 

 
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