[MD] the MOQ and its environment

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Marsha

19 Feb. you wrote:

> Yesterday I spent the day with my favorite guru.  That would be my
> two-and-a-half year-old grandson.  He is certainly dynamic and is more
> intelligent than most adults.

That's it, intelligence is another cup of tea than intellect..  
 
> To me, the MOQ belongs in the Intellectual Level, although within that
> level it is on higher ground than SOM.  The MOQ is firmly planted in
> the Intellectual Level, but points to a liberation and freedom from
> the Intellectual Level.

Who am I to deny you that "right", but to me it makes for a level 
containing its own negation. A level may contain countless 
patterns, the biological one goes from the most basic life forms to 
the most complex, yet, all is life, while SOM and MOQ are as 
incompatible as life and death. On the other hand SOM as a 
static level does not compete with the MOQ "system"   

> I can't imagine how an Enlightenment Level would be explained.  What
> method of communication would you use, and how would you explain it?

See it this way, there was the "Age of Enlightenment" when (in a 
MOQ context) the intellectual level made its greatest leap 
forward. It was also a confraternity with the "semitic" part  of 
Christendom (a social pattern along with Judaism and Islam) and 
you may as well ask what method enlightenment used to 
communicate with religion in those days (still uses)? I don't think 
there was any common ground, intellect simply looked down on 
religion as "ignorance" and treated it in with its new scientific tool 
through sociology, anthropology ...etc.          

This turns into a cultural history, but one more point. Intellect's 
reformation of Christendom took time, "theology" was an 
intellect/society mixture  and the present day Churches are 
religion under intellect's control. The gist is that Christendom 
became subjective, a faith and Jesus' claim that human worth 
transcends the Mosaic Law came to the fore.  My idea is that 
Jesus picked  up the SOM signals from Greece, but as we know 
the time was not ripe. The Middle East still not ripe for the 
intellectual - democratic - revolution. 

The conclusion is the that the MOQ will have a similar 
relationship with intellect, but if history is a lesson it's just a 
matter of many enough people having seen the Quality Reality 
for it to become the top perch that looks down upon intellect and 
wonder how anyone could see its subject/objectivism as the 
ultimate explanation. But I must hasten to add that where Intellect 
knows no limit to its subduction of social value, the MOQ sees 
the level context and will not subdue unduly. Is its highest static 
value.  
 
> Ah yes, rta.  It is what it is.  "The physical order of the universe
> is also the moral order of the universe." and "Dharma, like, rta,
> means 'what holds together.'"  I think the reason the MOQ makes an
> excellant bridge between the East and the West is precisely because it
> is rooted in the Intellectual Level but points beyond.

Exactly, but you see, it took the MOQ to explain Hinduism and 
Buddhism, IMO tanks to its strong intellectual level. One the East 
just had a short touch-and-go experience with.  

IMO

Bo