[MD] SOLAQI, Kant's TITs, chaos, and the S/I distinction

[Heather Perella]

      Laird, does the Dogen Part 1 post, I placed,
signify anything your trying to get at here.  Mainly
what I tried to indicate in the post is Zen is able to
use S/O distinctions to explain a Zen experience. 
Where the MoQ then would come in, is the MoQ uses a
different terminology to release S/O old
trappings/baggage into a refreshed view.  Thus, S/O is
still present, but in MoQ language/paradigm.  If not,
then I'm not sure what your getting at?


blue,
SA 



     [Laird]
> It's been interesting watching how this thread has
> shifted and danced 
> around, all the while conspicuously avoiding the
> original topic! This 
> all started with my acknowledgement that
> "subject-object logic as 
> intellect" (exhaustive) had problems, so I suggested
> we talk about the 
> S/O split as a non-exhaustive subset of intellect to
> see if it's more 
> palatable than Bo's original SOL.
> Thinking that the MoQ is seriously opposed to SOM is
> a very dangerous 
> road. The MoQ encompasses and tames SOM, and to some
> extent relies upon 
> the fruits of SOM to provide strength to its
> argument. SOM provides an 
> awful lot to our intellect and to trash it would be
> a catastrophic loss. 
> An MoQ directly opposed to SOM would be
> anti-rational, anti-logical, 
> self-destructive and doomed from the get-go. SOM
> just has a big ego and 
> the MoQ knocks it down a peg or two. :)
> So back toward the original topic again... does a
> revised SOL improve 
> the big picture? SOL/SOM as just one (though
> dominant) mode of 
> intellect, objective reality within intellect and
> not equivalent to 
> primary reality, social and intellectual level
> empowered by use of 
> abstraction/recursion... SOM can then be seen as a
> method of 
> abstraction... Mmm, lots of possible discussion, if
> anyone's actually 
> interested in discussing it, rather than bitching
> about aspects of the 
> SOL already discarded.

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