[MD] Food for Thought

[David M]

Hi Gav

I don't see a problem here, we do
experience ourselves as bodies within
our own experience, and if we shut down
the interaction between our bodies and
the environment, in a sensory deprivation
tank, we find that we have reduced what
we experience internally.

Pirsig does not tackle the experience of what
is internal and external, but it is a real
experience, i.e. we can both see the yellow
banana pattern in the shared external sphere
but only I am aware of the pink banana pattern
I am imagining in the unshared individual sphere.
And let's not make the mistake of thinking inner
unshared individual patterns are not as real as any other.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "gav" <gav_gc at yahoo.com.au>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Food for Thought


> hey case,
>
> --- Case <Case at iSpots.com> wrote:
>
>
>> The realization that Thou art That sounds all fuzzy
>> and profound but it
>> really doesn't take much effort or thought to bring
>> about the realization.
>> All of ones experience is confined to the space
>> inside one's head.
>
> what?!!! are you using slang here or do you really
> think your experiences are inside your head?
>
> All that
>> we see, all of the categories and pigeon holes we
>> channel our experiences
>> into are us. We are the sum of our experiences. This
>> is as much a matter a
>> scientific fact as it is mystical revelation.
>
> you are missing it case. 'we' are an abstraction. we
> are abstracted from experience, like every other
> 'thing'. what we think and what we see are the same
> stuff: patterns. patterns of quality or...(please
> insert favourite approximation for the indefinable
> here if you wish).
> there is no fundamental difference as that would
> bring dualism back and all the stupid shit that
> entails.
>
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