[MD] Dawkins a Materialist

[David M]

killing is wrong said Moses, just getting back from the shops,
god told me so, 

now do we take that on faith,
or do we need to try it out a few times
to see if we can agree with it based on
our experience? Or do we have faith in
the wisdom of others, who use the word
'god' so that they don't have to take credit
or responsibility for ideas that no one
can quite remember where they came from.

You know I am all for the advances we have made
since we moved from the dessert to the city,
but if you think religion is all about faith and has
no knowledge in it, you are really out of touch
with your human heritage.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist


> SA,
> 
> Nice job, but note that Dave only wants to let us use the parts that he
> personally approves of.
> 
> Case
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org
> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Heather Perella
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 6:51 PM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Dawkins a Materialist
> 
>    The horns are blaring.  Da,da,da,da!!!!!!!  
>     dmb demands a dictionary be looked at so, da, da,
> da, da!!!!!
>     The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary says after
> these comments by our fellow discussers:
> 
> 
>> [dmb to SA]
>> Do me a favor. Look at a dictionary and see what
>> those terms mean. Then look
>> up the word "faith".
>> 
>> [Case]
>> Gosh, Dave, maybe you should try that instead of
>> going ballistic every time
>> the term is used.
> 
> 
>     Quoted from the dictionary with numbers beside
> the definitions:
> 1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY
> 
>     SA:  Sounds like duty to Darwin until people
> actually noticed the evidence instead of Darwin's
> argument.
> 
> 
> b (1) : fidelity to one's promises 
> 
>     SA:  Sounds like string theory and all of its'
> promises.
> 
> 
> (2) : sincerity of intentions
> 
>     SA:  Scientists are sincere, but so are many
> people.
> 
> 2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God
> 
> 
>     SA:  Ok, here's dmb's argument about faith and
> how science doesn't have it.
> 
> 
> (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a
> religion
> 
> 
>     SA:  Again, dmb's argument.
> 
> 
> b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is
> no proof 
> 
> 
>     SA:  Darwin said fossil record is incomplete, so,
> we got to have faith according to this definition,
> right?
> 
> 
> (2) : complete trust
> 
> 
>     SA:  Darwin is a nice smart scientist, ya got to
> trust him completely, right?
> 
> 
> 3 : something that is believed especially with strong
> conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
> <the Protestant faith>
> synonym see BELIEF 
> 
> 
>    SA:  Well, the especially religious beliefs
> doesn't exclude faith in science.
> 
> 
> (3) - on faith : without question <took everything he
> said on faith>> 
> 
> 
>     SA:  Scientists the world over did this with
> Darwin's gradualism.  But, as I said I don't know much
> about this and I believed dmb, especially in the faith
> is religious belief, yet, this dictionary, since dmb
> demands it be viewed says otherwise, so, maybe I
> believed dmb and was duped?  Well, as I like to say -
> I don't know, so, I realize others don't know
> absolutly either, thus, the do not get stuck motive is
> engaged.
> 
> 
> quiet, quiet, quiet dark night,
> SA
> 
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