[MD] Intention changes physical world (some questions)

[David M]

Hi Case

They are not going to catch up though are they?
different sort of thing really, using different methods
with v.little in common method wise. One problem
is human behaviour is constantly changing. So are
economies, values, etc. So constant new territory
appearing and the old disappearing. Also can't
do experiments very easily as manipulation of
conditions, etc, not moralor practical. So always
big danger in human sciences of bogus claims of
science as robustness so hard to achieve. Economic
theory is awfully speculative according to some philosophers.
Nick Maxwell suggests it would be better called social
inquiry rather than social science.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Case" <Case at iSpots.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Intention changes physical world (some questions)


> SA,
>
> One of the problems with the social science is that they are a couple of
> hundred years behind the other sciences in their development. Psychology 
> for
> example begins with Wilhelm Wundt in about 1890. I think the methods and
> techniques of the social sciences are used a lot however put their effects
> are seldom noticed. Marketing and advertising draw heavily on research 
> from
> the social sciences. Economic is considered by some to be the queen of the
> social sciences and economic studies and techniques abound here in the 
> west.
>
> As far as meditation being a science is concerned I think you are 
> confusing
> metaphor with actuality.
>
> Case
>
>     Yes, I agree.  Except today departments in
> universities have social sciences, too, so "material
> well-being" might not be exclusively sciences'
> approach.  Societies well-being is advocated as
> supportable by scientific methods in certain fields in
> this department.  These certain fields don't just
> focus upon material, for example applied
> anthropologist and sociologists advocate their science
> takes notice of the values of the community and
> individuals within the community.  Some of these
> advocates within these fields have practiced helping
> societies that want help, and this help not only
> supplies material changes, but the values within these
> societies are considered due to how material changes
> can change the behavior of its' community.  For
> example, once the Iroquois got guns, the pressure to
> get more furs to trade for more European goods
> overrode the values taught in stories about how the
> beaver is their brother.  Soon the beaver lost its'
> brotherly human-like value to be killed almost to
> extinction for European goods.  Many Amerindians
> throughout the whole Warring Times advocated for a
> return to the old ways, and this return is still
> advocated in such values as in saving their languages,
> ceremonies, etc...
>     Some say meditation is a science, so, why people
> say they are using science or this latter (meditation)
> is a science, or hunting is a science, what are people
> actually saying when science is used this way?  I
> don't know.  What I do know is science is
> not-thoughtful about its' insight.  Science brings
> insight, but what kind of insight science offers, at
> this moment, I lean towards philosophy to answer these
> kinds of questions.  Science will bring its'
> perspective to the table, but thoughtful philosophers
> will have to describe this perspective science has.
> These thoughtful philosophers could be scientists or
> could form a field of science that explorers these
> kinds of questions, but what kind of science would
> they be practicing, as I said, as of now philosophers
> might only have these answers.
>
>
> thanks.
>
> still raining into the fourth night,
> SA
>
>
>
>
>
>
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