[MD] Intention changes physical world (some questions)

[Ron Kulp]

Tanks SA!,
I mistook the whole dynamic quality thing, sure changes the angle of the
dangle..
So what you're saying is dynamic quality runs right out your fingertips
into infinity in an AC current kinda way
That static quality is where the split happens...
wow 
Going to go soak my skull in
A shot glass.
-X

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> [x]
> Dynamic quality is'nt anything in particular just a more kinetic 
> aspect of Quality where static is less kinetic as I understand it.
> I'll use water as an example...dynamic -vapor, static - ice  it all 
> moves but at different rates.

 
     You putting yin and yang in here.  Zen says get rid of the pair of
opposites.  Here is a quote from Lila (Ch. 9) as follows:
     "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality,
the source of all things, completely simple and always new."
  
      When you say dynamic is a rate, a more kinetic aspect, it is
vapor, the first is an intellectual concept, so is the second, and the
last one is inorganic level.  These are not pre-intellectual. 
Here is another quote from Lila (Ch. 11) as follows:
     "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is not chaotic.
It is value that cannot be contained by static patterns."  

     You are containing dq in a static pattern by calling it yin and
female.  Dq is egoless and thus, not containing by any pair of
opposites.  This no-self, no-ego of dq is how a particular, a human
being, a tree, or a butterfly, without an ego, the static pattern these
are does not contain them. 
Human's realize this, and then without ego in view a tree is not
contained by an ordinary tree.  This tree is now upon a no-self
spiritual/excellent/enlightened/dynamic quality existent.  This tree is
not bound to any treeness, this tree has no boundaries.
     Lila (Ch. 11) as follows:  
     "And the Darwinians don't mean just any old quality, they mean
undefined Quality! As Mayr's article makes clear, they are absolutely
certain there is no way to define what that 'fittest' is.  Good! The
'undefined fittest" they are defending is identical to Dynamic
Quality..."

     Dq is undefined.
 
     "To the extent that one's behavior is controlled by static patterns
of quality it is without choice.
But to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality, which is
undefinable, one's behavior is free." (Lila;
12)

     And here, again, the word "undefinable" is actually used.  How do I
know this?  Quietness has been the way for me to realize this, and I
have experienced quietness long before I read Pirsig.  I believe we must
realize on our own these experiences undefined before they shine clearly
in many places that once seemed so ordinary are now excellent.  Such as
drinking tea, watching the birds feed in the snow and trees.  This is
ultimate reality.

     

>      [x]
> > The reality that can be told is not reality.

>     [SA previously]
>      dynamic quality

>      [x]
> > no, this is before quality altogether

     dynamic quality is reality that can NOT be told. 
So, it is reality.  Undifferentiated, undefined, unspoken, ultimate
reality.  To talk about something that can't be talked about is of a
very high static pattern, high as in good quality.

 
>      [x]
> > Quality that can be named is not Quality.

>      [SA]
>      true undifferentiated dq
 
>      [x]
> > no,both dynamic and static aspects encapsulated,
> just quality, before
> the split.

     See, since your stuck in the pair of opposites your mind with go
back and forth stuck between this and that.  There is no this and that.
Quality is undefined and definable.  The aspect of quality that is
defining what is not defined is static quality. 
The not defined being defined is dynamic quality. 
Since dq is never exhausted, never defined, it is static quality with
no-self, then the question What is quality? is still not answered due to
dq.  These are not pairs of opposites.  Sq=dq  Dq is just sq not
defined/differentiated.



> [SA]
>      Subject is NOT object they are divided in SOM.

> [x]
> Yes, but are one in Quality

     How?



> [SA]
>      Sq and dq are NOT words for subject and Object.

> [x]
> Please explain

     Sq and dq are not replacing the exact meaning and use of subject
and object.  Subject and object are static quality.  Dq is not even dq.

 
>      [x]
> > The gate to all mystery.
> 
>    [SA]
>   dq

>    [x]
>   SOM

      a black-capped chick-a-dee


>     [SA previously]
>       This is all static quality, except for not-having.  Nothing does

> not-have, unless, you are referring to static quality, a thing 
> not-having.
 
>      [x]
> >I see it as saying it is all Quality but once you
> discern "what" kind,
> it's opposite appears,

     The opposites did appear.  I read them.

     [x]
> the split occurs.
> The manifestaions emerge.

      All manifestations are static patterns.  Dq never manifests.  Dq
just is.

      [x]
> What I see it as saying
> is, that mind can
> exist and function prior to
> thought/intellect/quality.

      You see, what your saying here is what dynamic quality is saying.
It's a matter of being exact to how Pirsig explained these terms he came
up with. 
Nothing is prior to quality - literally, thus, dq is the cave wall where
it all stops and nothing goes any further.

     [x]
> Mind has the ability to processes experience hot off the presses and 
> throw it out before thought/intellect/quality murders it, disects it 
> Labels and stores it. Like v'ger in star trek the motion picture.

     Dq can't dissect anything.  Dq is nothing.  Dq is a snowflake
moving the sun.

 

> Two squirrels
> Treating my bird feeder
> Like a virgin
> On a pirate ship
> -x

     Ha, I like it.

baby just cried, gotta go, time to change the diaper, SA

 



 
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