[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

[Micah]

Platt,

Where did Plato's belief reside? In his head or in the universe?

Micah

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Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:

> Platt,
> 
> Yes we are in the universe, but "design" is a human mental concept that
> exists in us, not in the universe. Mental concepts do not exist without
> humans, only within them.
 
How do you know? Plato believed otherwise.

Platt


> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Quoting Micah <micah at roarkplumbing.com>:
> 
> > Probably been covered, but intelligence and behavior are human
> > characteristics, and an atom is not organized, it is - we perceive the
> > organization. Intelligence, behavior and organization is within us, not
> > without us.
> >
> > "Intelligent Design" begs the question - compared to what other design?
> > Again, the universe "is" - the design is within us.
> 
> Why separate us from the universe? Are we not in it? And why can't design
> be in the universe other than in us?






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