[MD] The SOL-ution

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Hi Heather or SA

On 19 Jan. you wrote:

>  Since above, Pheadrus says "Quality is neither a
> part of mind, nor is it a part of matter... is
> independent of the two." how does "Quality... belong
> somewhere in its S/O matrix."  Quality is independent
> according to the quote, not "belong(ing)".

It's obvious that Phaedrus, while teaching at the school in 
Montana, lived in SOM reality and began by accepting his 
colleagues' question if (his) Quality was subjective or objective. 
But while thinking about this dilemma he left SOM-land. 

> Yet, what of intellectualizing dynamic quality. 
> Sure this intellectualization would be static
> patterns, but talking about dq, wouldn't that be
> another intellectual event.  

Intellctualizing seems to be synonymous to "thinking" in most 
people's vocablary, but (in the SOL interpretation) it's merely 
S/O-thinking and as said, when this reached the end of its tether 
by the dilemma Phaedrus entered the realm of Quality-thinking.

I hate to say this, but Pirsig's about the MOQ an intellectual 
pattern is patently wrong. Intellect is a static level of the MOQ 
and can't contain the whole system. Dynamic Quality is after all 
part of the MOQ and can't be a static pattern.

This is tried overcome by saying that MOQ's Dynamic/Static 
divide is an arbitrary divide of Quality, but this created so much 
confusion that now Pirsig says that DQ is the ineffable 
"QUALITY" (I'm still searching for the quote).   

> This kind of intellectual
> event isn't S/O divided.  This is an intellectual
> event without the divide.  

Well, it's called a "quality event" and - right - isn't S/O-divided. 

> Might this be the
> 'excellence' you are going to talk about, the pre or
> proto-SOM.  This would have intellect involved with
> diverse intellectualizing events.  

Phaedrus equalized his Quality with the Greek "Aretê" or 
"Excellence" that reigned before the philosopheres introduced the 
SOM. In the the  said proto-moq  Quality was divided into a 
Romantic/Classic duality It had no "classic levels", but please 
note  that the Classic half it is sub-titled "intellect" and splits into 
Subjective/Objective. This indicates that Phaedrus didn't see the 
initial Romantic/Classic split as an intelectual pattern, rather that 
the Classic part  was "intellect"! This is the way the final MOQ 
should have been intrepreted: The 4th classic-static. level = 
intellect = S//O.

IMO

Bo