[MD] Terry Eagleton on Dawkin's God Delusion

[ian glendinning]

Hi Bo,

A good analysis IMHO too. A couple of thoughts inserted ...

On 1/20/07, skutvik at online.no <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> On 18 Jan. Ian distributed Eagleton's thoughts on Dawkin's
> thoughts on religion - perhaps he agrees with  Eagleton.

[IG] See separate response.

> I'll just zoom in on this part.
>
> > A molehill of instances out of a mountain of them will have to
> > suffice. Dawkins considers that all faith is blind faith, and that
> > Christian and Muslim children are brought up to believe
> > unquestioningly.
>

[IG] That is my criricism of Dawkins too, so I agree with that
sentiment of Eagleton's. As you do too it seems, in going on to make
the different distintcions about religious faiths ... and not damning
all attempts at progress.

> First of all. "Religion" is a wide term, The West regards Buddhism
> and Taoism as religions, but they have nothing in common with
> the Semitic "sects"  Judaism, Islam and Christianity. There are
> efforts to compare DQ with the  God of the said sects, but here I
> agree with DMB who rejects this.

[IG] "compare" - I have no problem with as a means of making progress.
"equate" - I'd agree with you and DMB.

>
> Now, of the three, Christendom has moved farthest away from its
> roots - which in a MOQ light is the social level - because of the
> Christ figure who IMO had picked up the SOM/Intellectual signals
> from the Greeks and began the same processs in the heartland of
> Judaism. A most difficult task as we know.
>
> Lutheranism has brought this process farthest while Catholicism
> lags behind as and certainly wants people to believe
> unquestioningly. Around here, in Scandinavia there are now
> clerics who don't believe in God and I hope this trend will move
> further and bring Christendom closer to a kind of Western
> Buddhism.
>
> But to achieve this the intellectual level has to be transcended for
> the meta-level of the MOQ. In my opinion the MOQ is a better
> "buddhism" than Zen because of the West's long sojourn on the
> intellectual (SOM) level, one that the orientals just had a touch-
> and-go experience with before turning "mystics".

[IG] Agree with all of that. Interestingly, I blogged about an
interview with the UK Archbishop of Canterbury recently. I was hard
pushed to find him believing in a god of any kind that might concern a
MoQ'er (or Dawkins for that matter.)

"Pour encourager les autres"
Ian
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> IMO
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> Bo
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