[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?)

pholden at davtv.com pholden at davtv.com
Mon Jan 22 14:55:43 PST 2007


Quoting Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>:

> [Arlo]
> But why do you think Pirsig mentions the Buddha and the 
> Tao repeatedly in ZMM? Could it be that these "ethics" more closely 
> mirror Quality than Occidental ethics?

Looking forward to your description of Tao ethics.

> [Platt]
> No. I answer as possibilities the existence of Consciousness and 
> Quality as creative forces. I gather you disagree with Pirsig on that 
> score while you pander to scientism.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Can you refer me to where Pirsig proposes the existence of a 
> "transcendent consciousness"?

I never claimed he does.

> I gather you disagree with Pirsig on 
> his statement that the MOQ is "anti-theistic" while you continue to 
> pander to Christianity.

I don't dismiss the possibility of God as Pirsig does, nor do I "pander" to
Christianity. That's just another example of your effort to distort what I say.
Anyway, I see much value in Christian ethics as do many here, including yourself.

> [Platt]
> No. I consider Consciousness and Quality to be "natural processes."
> 
> [Arlo]
> Not if they are "transcendent".

Transcendent means "beyond comprehension," as are many natural processes. 

> [Platt]
> And the rest is just a fabrication of my views to meet your own 
> desperate need to demean others to build up your own ego.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Got a mirror handy, Platt?

I take that as acceptance of my assessment.
 
> [Platt]
> Amusingly, you call for "dropping it" only to follow a few minutes 
> later with more commentary. Oh well, I understand why it's hard for 
> you to let go.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Yes, your excrutiatingly distortive remarks are hard to leave go unanswered.

You've admitted to "oops" i.e., "luck" as an explanation a number of times.
Check the archives.





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