[MD] Gawain

[MarshaV]

Robbie,

Is there something you'd like to say to me directly?

m



At 08:50 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
>Unlike you Ian, Tuples and Data Modelling are not my field.  But here is an
>alternative explanation:
>
>
>Marsha acted very emotionally to my replies to her parable at the beginning
>
>of this thread. I'm ignorant is the field of psychology, but below is a
>speculation:
>
>
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>American Scientist reviews a new book that suggests an intriguing hypothesis
>- that the reason that the distrust of people with a different skin color,
>different values or a different ideology is so prevalent is because the
>early development of crucial brain pathways makes it hard for people to
>accept new and unfamiliar experiences.
>
>
>
>Wexler argues that when people are faced with information that does not
>agree with their internal structures, they deny, discredit, reinterpret or
>forget that information. When changes in the environment are great,
>corresponding internal changes are accompanied by distress and dysfunction.
>The inability to reconcile differences between strange others and ingrained
>notions of "humanness" can culminate in violence. The neurobiological
>imperative to maintain a balance between internal structures and external
>reality fuels this struggle for control, which contributes to making the
>contact zone a place of intractable conflict.
>
>
>
>The eternal male female struggle for control is illustrated in the parable

>according to this theory. Marsha likes males, who are carpets, which leaves
>her in charge. She calls this
>
>deferential male attitude: the middle ground. I might be totally off base.
>What do you think, IAN?
>
>Robbie
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>On 1/23/07, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ha, very good Marsha .... choose your moral, I do get it, honest ;-)
> > You don't really want me to talk Tuples do you ?
> >
> > Data modelling is part of my day job, for the last 10 years or so. (In
> > fact it's part of everyone's daily life but they just don't call it
> > that - we are forever deciding what to call things and how to describe
> > what we mean by them, and how they relate to other things.) So Yes.
> >
> > That is Yes, but ...
> >
> > It is that very exclusion of the middles that means I avoid
> > "relational modelling" like the objectivist plague it really is.
> > (strict binary taxonomy - is or isn't - very convenient for
> > "programmers", but too far removed from reality to be much real use.)
> >
> > So modelling yes; relational modelling, not if I can help it.
> > Catwalk modelling, nice work if you can get it.
> > Ian
> >
> > On 1/23/07, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > H Ian,
> > >
> > > At 04:49 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >BTW Marsha - how would you summarise the moral of the story if not:
> > > >"In life, it is often better not to make a choice between two
> > > >choices offered."
> > > >Ian
> > >
> > > As stated in the parable:
> > > "The moral is that it doesn't matter if your woman is pretty or ugly,
> > > underneath it all, she's still a witch---and don't you forget it."
> > >
> > >
> > >  From Wikipedia:
> > > "The relational model depends on the law of excluded middle under
> > > which anything that is not true is false and anything that is not
> > > false is true; it also requires every tuple in a relation body to
> > > have a value for every attribute of that relation."
> > >
> > > Didn't you state once you were sometimes responsible for data
> > > modeling?  Yes?  No?  All of the above???
> > >
> > > m
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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