[MD] Gawain

[Ron Kulp]

You're not only off base, you seem to have lost your trousers somewhere
rounding second..


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Unlike you Ian, Tuples and Data Modelling are not my field.  But here is
an alternative explanation:


Marsha acted very emotionally to my replies to her parable at the
beginning

of this thread. I'm ignorant is the field of psychology, but below is a
speculation:



American Scientist reviews a new book that suggests an intriguing
hypothesis
- that the reason that the distrust of people with a different skin
color, different values or a different ideology is so prevalent is
because the early development of crucial brain pathways makes it hard
for people to accept new and unfamiliar experiences.



Wexler argues that when people are faced with information that does not
agree with their internal structures, they deny, discredit, reinterpret
or forget that information. When changes in the environment are great,
corresponding internal changes are accompanied by distress and
dysfunction.
The inability to reconcile differences between strange others and
ingrained notions of "humanness" can culminate in violence. The
neurobiological imperative to maintain a balance between internal
structures and external reality fuels this struggle for control, which
contributes to making the contact zone a place of intractable conflict.



The eternal male female struggle for control is illustrated in the
parable... according to this theory. Marsha likes males, who are
carpets, which leaves her in charge. She calls this

deferential male attitude: the middle ground. I might be totally off
base.
What do you think, IAN?

Robbie





On 1/23/07, ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ha, very good Marsha .... choose your moral, I do get it, honest ;-) 
> You don't really want me to talk Tuples do you ?
>
> Data modelling is part of my day job, for the last 10 years or so. (In

> fact it's part of everyone's daily life but they just don't call it 
> that - we are forever deciding what to call things and how to describe

> what we mean by them, and how they relate to other things.) So Yes.
>
> That is Yes, but ...
>
> It is that very exclusion of the middles that means I avoid 
> "relational modelling" like the objectivist plague it really is.
> (strict binary taxonomy - is or isn't - very convenient for 
> "programmers", but too far removed from reality to be much real use.)
>
> So modelling yes; relational modelling, not if I can help it.
> Catwalk modelling, nice work if you can get it.
> Ian
>
> On 1/23/07, MarshaV <marshalz at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> > H Ian,
> >
> > At 04:49 PM 1/23/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > >BTW Marsha - how would you summarise the moral of the story if not:
> > >"In life, it is often better not to make a choice between two 
> > >choices offered."
> > >Ian
> >
> > As stated in the parable:
> > "The moral is that it doesn't matter if your woman is pretty or 
> > ugly, underneath it all, she's still a witch---and don't you forget
it."
> >
> >
> >  From Wikipedia:
> > "The relational model depends on the law of excluded middle under 
> > which anything that is not true is false and anything that is not 
> > false is true; it also requires every tuple in a relation body to 
> > have a value for every attribute of that relation."
> >
> > Didn't you state once you were sometimes responsible for data 
> > modeling?  Yes?  No?  All of the above???
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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