[MD] Dawkins a Materialist (is watching?]

[Arlo Bensinger]

[Ham]
It's what the liberals call "moving forward."  I'm reminded of a wise 
man who once said: "Don't just do something; stand there."

[Platt]
Excuse me for butting in but I'm reminded that doing nothing involves 
no energy, no cost and a possible beneficial outcome.

[Arlo]
When I said "change is the only permanent thing", I certainly wasn't 
suggesting chaos. As Joseph Campbell writes.

"As Professor Arnold J. Toynbee indicates in his six-volume study of 
the laws of the rise and disintegration of civilizations, schism in 
the soul, schism in the body social, will not be resolved by any 
scheme of return to the good old days (archaism), or by programs 
guaranteed to render an ideal projected future (futurism), or even by 
the most realistic, hardheaded work to weld together again the 
deteriorating elements. Only birth can conquer death- the birth, not 
of the old thing again, but of something new. Within the soul, within 
the body social, there must be - if we are to experience long 
survival- a continuous "recurrence of birth" (palingenesia) to 
nullify unremitting reoccurrences of death. For it is by means of our 
own victories, if we are not regenerated, that the work if Nemesis is 
wrought doom breaks from the shell of our very virtue. Peace is then 
a snare; war is a snare change is a snare; permanence a snare. When 
our day is come for the victory of death, death closes in; there is 
nothing we can do, except be crucified- and resurrected; dismembered 
totally, and then reborn."