[MD] Re-inventing the wheel.

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Hi Heather SA

26 Jan. wrote:

> Still don't know where this S/O divide is called
> intellect.  This is your analysis.

For goodness sake look in ZMM on the diagram page wherever 
that may be in your edition! If you have that book?

> Static quality is just dynamic quality defined. 
> Dynamic quality is the source of all things.  Rock was
> sourced from dynamic quality.  What is dynamic
> quality?  I don't know, but this very real rock is a
> rock analogy of dq

You refuse to understand the ocean/wave - um - analogy. MOQ's 
fundamental split is the dynamic/static one. It's no use repeating 
that static inorganic patterns (rocks) only are DQ defined ... the 
source of all things etc.  What is static is NOT dynamic!     

> Not quite sure what all this language and in the
> human mind talk is about.  

Phew, it was you who introduced it

> > Only human beings can chat about ultimate reality on this planet,
> > as far as I know. 

"Human beings". Doesn't that spell "mind" and/or "language"? 

> As Quality is the mother of
> them all. 

I agree most profoundly with this, but then you introduced 
"human beings", presumably as if the human mind and/or its 
language overrides Quality, as if Quality is a mind/language 
pattern. This is exactly where Pirsig sins by - first - defining 
intellect as mind and then the MOQ as an intellectual pattern. 
After the Paul Turner letter he re-defined intellect as "symbol 
manipulation" (language) and then the MOQ became a language 
pattern. The MOQ will never work until we return to Phaedrus' 
insight that intellect=SOM. But this seems to be anathema. Now 
that I'm back the defender of orthodoxy - DMB - has retreated in 
hurt silence. And Laird who raised the SOL issue (and fooled me 
into believing that he had seen something) disappeared without a 
trace. Ok, this is not your "fault" ;-)   

> Sure, that's what I said above.  A rock
> defines and is a static pattern of this fundamental
> reality.  

Again, the DQ/SQ is MOQ's fundamental divide. A rock - the 
universe itself - is the first static "fallout". I don't see the purpose 
of repeating the obvious that this "wave" really is "ocean". That 
goes without saying.     

Bo






As to re-inventing the wheel, sure a rock is
> old, ancient and a quality well worth talking about,
> thinking about, and just touching.  Simple rock is
> full of patterns that have a natural history, staticly
> coming together. an expression, a beauty we humans may
> say of this wonderful earth with sky.  
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> thanks.
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> winter snow is quiet,
> SA
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