[MD] Mystics, Brains -- Matt has a question

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07-10-31: New Case:
I attempted to address your misconceptions about  entropy in a new thread.
This misconceptions was laid to rest long ago and is  now only in vogue with
creationists on the Christian right.
 
Mark 01-02-07: Hi Case,
I completely accept entropy as a scientific law but it's an incomplete  
description in a value based metaphysics.
If ALL values obeyed entropy then many moq claims would be wrong.
As it is, not all values obey entropy.

07-01-31: New Case:
We  have been here before, I believe. All I am suggesting is that your
metaphor  would make more sense if you made better use of the words you have
chosen to  describe it. The terms static, dynamic, coherence and chaos all
have firmly  establish meanings that work well when used correctly.
 
Mark 01-02-07:
Please demonstrate that all values obey chaos theory and i shall agree with  
you.
This will then be the end of the moq as we know it.

07-01-31: New  Case;
You know Prigogine really does sounds like Pirsig when you say it  fast
enough.
 
Mark 01-02-07:
You never see them in the same room?

07-01-31: New  Case:
Sneddon's thesis has very little to do with chaos theory. Rather he  compares
Pirsig to Whitehead and claims that in many respects Pirsig is a  process
philosopher. I think he was far too kind with respect to  teleology.
 
Mark 01-02-07:
The quotes you chose had allot to do with chaos theory  methinks.

07-01-31: New Case:
I have no idea what Sneddon's position  is. But I definitely disagree with
you on this point. Chaos theory does show  how higher levels of order can
occur and evolve. 

07-01-31: New  Case:
Of course thermodynamics applies at all levels. Regardless of what  levels
you chose to talk about where the Law of Nature apply. Biological  systems
are working little entropy machines.
 
Mark 01-02-07:
So this applies to social and Intellectual patterns?

07-01-31: New  Case:
Why would I grab for a metaphor when a literal reading is so much  more
meaningful?
 
Mark 01-02-07:
Fair enough but i need to see how this applies to social and intellectual  
patterns.

07-01-31: New Case:
Your pretty stimulating yourself and it  is always an adventure talking with
ya. Kinda like skipping through a  minefield.

It is like we almost agree but refuse. In your Universal  application
coherent is still a statement about the relative degree of order.  If you
went with thermodynamics you could use cold, warm and hot. At least  then you
would be warmer...
 
Mark 01-02-07:
It's a pleasure.
Love,
Mark