[MD] Quality decline

[ian glendinning]

Craig you said,

"Count me among the thousands who have read Marx & don't think Marxism
is about freedom, not to mention dangerously misguided."

You're entitled to the opinion, but you'll agree that's hardly an
argument. The quote from Arlo you responded to wasn't an argument
either, but Arlo's point was about "calling out embarrasing crap" not
arguing the case for Marx ideas. I'm sure Arlo would be interested to
debate, once we've shoveled the crap out of the way.

Ian


On 7/6/07, craigerb at comcast.net <craigerb at comcast.net> wrote:
> [Arlo]
> > that's only from a perspective that equates "property" with "freedom".
> As I specifically said property is not freedom, that cannot be my perspective.One can be free as a capitalist (private property), a communalist (sharedproperty) or as a monk (no property).
> [Arlo]
> > Marx saw the end result...man would voluntarily participate in social and local communes aimed at bettering the conditions for all while allowing individuals to strive for their own personal meaning.
>
> Why wait, the free market allows that result now.  What's stopping a real marxist from joining a commune in Vermont, a kibbutz in Israel or a collective farm in some marxist paradise.
>
> [Arlo]
> Again, anyone who has read Marx knows ...Marxism is about freedom
>
> Not true.  Count me among the thousands who have read Marx & don't think Marxism is about freedom, not to mention dangerously misguided.
> Craig
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