[MD] Is there an higher pattern value than Honor or Justice ?

[Jack Henderson]

So I guess you are right in a way; you are trying to reconcile an
individually Dynamic mindset with a static social or intellectual one. This
is the most ancient of Philosophical problems, you can see it right , even
to Plato (ugh), though I cannot recall the exact quote.

On 14/07/07, XAVIER from France <xavissimus at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gav, Jack for your insights; Actually, it helps me to further the
> debate:
>
>   When you say honour, justice are variable,
>   I agree with you
>   by dividing "society-bound" honour & justice from "universal-bound"
> honour & justice.
>
>   The socially shaped is plastic, and it differs from countries, from
> continents, from times... this is the case of the Iwo Jima soldiers. In
> France, we never have this code as well as actual Japanese soldiers.
>
>   But the universally tied is static: you can't get rid of a shared code
> of honour & justice because it would be chaos. The question is what do we
> find in this global honour & justice ?
>
>   As Pirsig with his Quality inquiry, it's hard for me to define this
> honour feeling: So you are both right with the "can't pre-empt" idea and the
> "its living in the heart". It comes at once when situation needs it: as it
> is natural to run away from fire, it is natural to run towards injustice,
> unfairness when they hit you... Or, when you take a path in dishonourability
> or you give injustice, the inner voice is here...
>
>   But, each time, it is never easy to stay truth with this code:
>   Honour, Justice is married with Courage,
>   because somewhere, it means resistance, opposition, so troubles..
>
>   A lot of people close their eyes on it, me first (and I feel bad
> then....).
>
>   So I was wondering if MOQ includes Justice or Honour ?
>   or more exactly, which is the better life:
>   the easy one or the honourable one ?
>   The socially happy in a unfair world or the lonely life in honourability
> ?
>
>   Being born in the honourable side,
>   if I sacrifice my honour, what's the successor: void ? wisdom ?
>   Is it good so to be a liar, hypocrite, selfish person ?
>
>   I recognise I am not very bright and very stubborn, but when I studied
> human rights, the same debate was there also: Is human rights are intangible
> or are they expandable in front of cultures ?
>
>   Pirsig write about this in Lila...
>
> For Lao-tsu, the 3 is the magic number, with A "strangles"  B, B
> "strangles" A, and A & B are in balanced accord.
>
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