[MD] Limits of freedom:

[Platt Holden]

SA asks:

>       Platt, why do you like to discuss nudity so
> much?

It's limits of freedom I like to discuss. Nudity happened to be in the 
news today. I thought it was an interesting jumping off point for that 
discussion. I'm sorry if you find it offensive in some way..

> This is another topic, that if Arlo involves
> himself, that can go on and on, with questions not
> being answered, challenges being made, possible
> immoral slandering, etc, etc...  I've seen it before
> here.  Direct experience on the intellectual level. 
> We all can check the archives on this topic, unless
> your casting your hook for possible newbies or oldies.

That's why we call this forum isn't it? Of course, smearing  those
who disagree with you is uncalled for in a civilized discussion. But if 
that's the game some want to play, I'm not going to run and hide. 
 
>  I agree with Marsha.  The body doesn't have to be put
> in check by social level patterns, always.

Agree. "Always" is the operative word.

> I mean
> we're talking about nudity - basic biological patterns
> of value.  Now, isn't it what the biological patterns
> of value are doing that has the social level find a
> need to intervene or not.  Is it what these nudest
> people are doing that you don't like, or is it
> biological patterns themselves that you think social
> patterns must always intervene upon?
 
As Pirsig says, social patterns are necessary to restrain biological 
patterns. (I don't think he meant "always.") I agree with Pirsig. 
Do you?

Are you questioning whether nudity is a biological value?

Are you questioning the morality of temporary ban on public nudity and 
limit of freedom  passed by officials in Brattleboro? 

Thanks.

Have a nice day. 


> woods,
> SA
> 
> 
> 
>      [Platt]
> > >In several posts recently the question of limits on
> > freedom (state
> > >governance) has come up. In Vermont there has
> > "emerged" :-) a classic case
> > >about freedom to parade down main street in the
> > nude. For the story, see:
> >
> >http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1823185120070718?feedType
> >=
> > >RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
> > >With the MOQ moral levels in mind, do you think the
> > restriction on public nudity is justified? To me
> it's a case of social
> > level patterns keeping biological patterns in check.
> 
>      [Marsha]
> > Having spent many, many hours in life study classes,
> > I find the body 
> > endlessly fascinating and beautiful.  I've spent
> > more than a few 
> > hours being nude at the beaches in Spain, I don't
> > understand the problem.
> > 
> > Marsha