[MD] American moral complex

[Heather Perella]

     [SA previously]
> >       Back to square one.  Ok, your curious.  How
> does curiousness reach out to others?  Explain this
curiousness.

     [Marsha] 
> Others?  I don't know. I'm an introvert. I carry
> others inside.  It's like always experiencing the
answers too large for
> the question.

    How does curiousness reach out to the others
inside?  I am talking about other people you know. 
I'm not inside of you, sorry.

> >      [SA previously]
> > > >      The later is morally to benefit the
> > > >former/founding level.  These levels work
> within themselves to meet this moral obligation.


> >      [Marsha]
> > > Come on????????   That's the map, not the moon.

     [SA previously]
> >     Whenever I 'moon' using the internet, only
> words, thus, a map will come up on your screen.  Not
sure
> >what your driving at here.

     [Marsha] 
> I don't know how to explain the experience.

     The experience is the map applied.  It's not just
experienced (dq), but also understood (sq).

     [SA previously] 
> >      Nobody said otherwise, or at least I didn't. 
> I'm actually talking about the USE of them all.  For
> what?  We are not in a bubble here in our safe
little
> world closed off from everything, I think you may
agree
> with this.  So, in what way do these levels connect,
and
> >since we are all four levels how do we connect them
> in the valued moral way I believe the MoQ sets out
to
> >convince underlies our experience already.

     [Marsha] 
> I have pretty much chosen to withdraw into a
> semi-solitude to 'get at 
> this'.  A woman the other day called me a little
> mole.  I don't know 
> what you mean by 'moral way'.

    Quality is moral.  Quality is value.  The MoQ is
an evolving, dynamic, not only metaphysics, but
reality.  This dynamism, this change and movement is
moral.  Dq is moral.  Sq is moral.  The MoQ is kin to
Daoism.  Daoism involves way.  Pirsig mentions MoQ is
like Daoism, right?  Anyways, way is the static
patterns able to staticly latch.  This latching is one
way of doing this.

     [Marsha]
> If Mr. Pirsig has equated morality and 'the good'
with Quality and 
> Nothingness, then it is what it is.  Would you pick
apart a river in a 
> moral way?  The flow of the river is the flow of the
river.

     Sure.

     [SA previously]
> >      Exactly, but the movements and changes we do
> know about are moral.

     [Marsha] 
> In the sense that the movements and changes are what
> they are.

     Sure.

     [Marsha]
> Manmade morality is another question, a big
question, choking 
> question.  We are reminded at the beginning of ZMM:
> And what is good, Phaedrus,
> And what is not good--
> Need we ask anyone to tell us these things.

    Exactly.  I'm just asking what you do to connect
with society.  A river flows, and it is what it is. 
We know the river is flowing.  That's what it does. 
What do you do to connect with society, for we are all
four levels.


    [SA previously] 
> >      By serve what do you mean?  To help or to bow
> >down.  There are have been known to be different
> types of serve, which one are you referring to?

     [Marsha] 
> Does a particular pattern prefer another pattern? 
> Do patterns orbit each other?

    Carbon atoms like other carbon atoms.  They
attract to each other.  Hydrogen atoms like oxygen
atoms and they join as water.  This is an abundant
joining on this planet compared to mercury.  Earth
orbits the sun.

> >      [Marsha previously]
> > > As constellations of static patterns of value,
> are individuals identical configurations of
patterns?

     [SA previously]
> >      Identical?

     [Marsha] 
> When you abstract to 4 levels alone you miss the
dance.

     I also talk about dq.  What else is there?

     [SA previously] 
> >      I'm just wondering what this curiousness
> does.  I'm sure it does something, but what?  This
is a
> >significant question for me, but one that you would
> >have a better answer for probably since this is
something you do.


     [Marsha] 
> I don't know if curiousness does anything.  It is
> what it is.  It's a 
> modus operandi.  I've stated before I don't believe
> there is an 
> answer (past, present or future).

     I was just wondering how your intellect helps the
social level, since we are the intellectual level plus
the social level, etc...  So, we either in the
unavoidance help or hurt the social level with our
intellect.  This is a question of moral generative or
moral degenerative.  So, how do you connect with the
social level?  Your not a bubble in your own world,
right?

     [SA previously]
>      We ARE on the social level (we are all four
>levels as mentioned above), so, what does what you
>describe above do on this social level you are apart
>of?  What kind of connection does this becoming "a
>truer, clearer, more decisive constellation." make
>between the intellectual and social levels?

    [Marsha]
Maybe it's a way of removing a few pollutants.  Maybe
that 
helps.  But I can't say for sure that is a correct
assumption.  I 
really don't know.  There are two levels co-mingling
here, sq & dq, 
me & the Universe, the known and the unmanifest.


     Removing a few pollutants.  Excellant!  I like
it.  Now what would you say pollutants are, what do
they do, and what would be better than pollutants?


     [SA previously]
>As what "these duties might be", well, this is your
>constellation that I'm asking about.  I'm not only
>asking out of curiosity, but also in an effort to be
>generative upon the social level, not degenerative.


    [Marsha]
It's uncomfortable to talk about these things.  I
don't like to pin 
things down.  I prefer to leave things open.  

     We can leave things open, but also we have to
decide at times.  When a punch comes your way, what
will you do?  

     [Marsha]
New philosophical ideas don't provide answers, they
may offer a new perspective.  Philosophy is such a
man's world.  It's interesting and I'm curious.  But
sometimes I so much identify with Lila's soliloquy.

    Lila still says something.  Lila is social.  I
don't see Lila as the whole story though.  Your not
locked in your own world, but if you don't want to see
what you do that's your perogative.

thanks for the chat.
woods,
SA


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