[MD] Everything/Nothing, or should I get a life?

[MarshaV]

At 05:22 PM 6/2/2007, SA wrote:
>Comments as I go:
>
>
> > [Marsha]
> > I wonder how you could alter this?   Ham's thesis
> > was interesting (ignoring the creationist stuff),
>but probably
> > meditation is the best process.
>
>     Why do you say meditation is the best process?


I knew then, but don't know now.  Been painting.  That clears my 
mind:  fur, fringe & feathers.  There is this wonderful cd of 
traditional Native-American songs.  Both the holy man and I 
dance.   We heal.

>
> > [Ron]
> > Marsha,
> > I have struggled with this for a long time. The
> > brain is a strange thing.
>
>      So, is dirt.  I'm serious you know.

I like dirt.  It feels real.


>      [Ron]
> > I meditate, and I am aware of the dichotomy of
>perception and
> > try to be aware that good lies in the bad
>
>      Your just in your head here.  "I... try to be
>aware."  Why do you try to be aware of this and not
>the air?
>
>      [Ron]
> > that opposites imply wholeness.
>
>      yes, but the wind is blowing... the stomach is
>hungry...
>
>      [Ron]
> > It is the gut level, heat of the moment
> > experiences that take the most concentration and are
>the most
> > difficult.
>
>      Yes, by gut level might you mean direct
>experience, what is happening now (the wind is
>blowing, etc...)  As to difficultly in doing this,
>that's the whole practice.  Practice
>being-alert/attentive.  As to being attentive to what,
>well, where are you?
>
>      [Ron]
> > Knowing these things I should not experience anger,
>depression and
> > anxiety but I do...
>
>      Why shouldn't you experience anger, etc...?  I
>can be happy and another depressed.  Should I not have
>empathy, and thus not experience their sadness?  How
>do I rid not only my sadness, but others sadness?
>Well, to not be alert and experiencing to my full
>potential, that would put me in a position not to help
>at all, for now, I'm the one that needs help.  Yet, I
>still feel sadness and anger at times.  Can I remain
>attentive and not lose concentration?  Hopefully, and
>then I'll be able to see my way out of this mess, at
>least for now.
>
>      [Ron]
> > I think the biggest lesson
> > I've learned through it is that these emotions are
> > every bit as viable and meaningfull
> > as the positive emotions and trying to quell them is
> > to deny a meaningful experience.
>
>      true, so true
>
>      [Ron]
> >  It takes courage to live a honost life, good and
> > bad is in me not the world,
>
>      I still think I'm in this world.
>
>      [Ron]
> > to avoid the bad and adhere to the good is living
>half a
> > life. So, to answer your question
> > of how to alter this perception I think having the
> > courage to accept and be open
> > to all experience, warts and all, is the best way to
> > overcome this, but that's my opinion.
>
>      Easier said than done.  So, what to do?  Oh, what
>a nice cool breeze blowing through the back door.
>Courage helps, but if you can't see what's happening
>right now in front of your face (and I in front of
>mine) then I might as well create my own universe and
>live in it and forget about this one, hmmm, now how
>can I get trees to plant here.
>
>
>      [Ron]
> > This is my course with my tiny skull, to remain
> > open in happiness and pain, and allow myself to
>feel.
>
>
>      Oh, this tiny skull of mine.  I'm such a big
>oollff.  Realizing what I already realized, to realize
>again, that I've realized this already, to realize
>that this is the true realization, but this tiny skull
>of mine thinks. "Oh, but what about this." and then I
>realize again that I keep realizing what I've been
>realizing all along, but then I, "Oh, you big oollff,"
>I say to myself.
>
>
>shade in the maples,
>SA

SA, Ron, do you dance?


Marsha