[MD] intelligent design

[Ron Kulp]

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[Platt]

 It's the view of current science I find lacking in explanatory power,
like attributing what can't be explained to "emergence" and "chance."

[Ron]

How is the definition of "moral force" any more descriptive than
"emergence"?
 Pirsig equates "moral force" with "growth" correct? 


Growth refers to an increase in some quantity over time. The quantity
can be physical (e.g., growth in height, growth in an amount of money)
or abstract (e.g., a system becoming more complex, an organism becoming
more mature). It can also refer to the mode of growth, i.e. numeric
models for describing how much a particular quantity grows over
time:-wiki

EMERGE
Latin emergere derived from e- (a variant of ex-), meaning 'out, forth' 

To come into view. 
To come out of a situation, object or a liquid. 
To become known. 


[Ron]
 these two definitions seem almost synonomous. they are close enough
that one must take
into account the context in which it is used, which in my opinion also
paralells each other.
close enough to merit some attention and draw comparison/contrast. I
agree the term "emerge"
kinda eludes to manifesting from nothing, but growth doesent really
point to much more of a source
either, "moral force" seems to be just a method of solving by
re-defining. All in all,
I think MOQ gives emergence it's source, "moral force" is the source of
emergence as far as
what I gather Pirsig is saying only emergence delves into the four
levels with more clarity.
I see this as aiding Pirsigs thoughts not conflicting with them.