[MD] Expect a miracle , expect DQ

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:

> Krimel, and Platt,
> 
> If I may just put your point on hold Krim ... the idea that
> "synchronicity IS causality" ... let's just say time and causation are
> seriously weird concepts when you get right down to them - beyond
> Platt's "every-day common-sense" view that causation is kinda obvious.
> 
> Platt, you behave and you'll find I'll behave ;-)

I'll give it my best shot. But, expressing a conservative view is not
intended as a personal insult to your politics.
 
> You asked (leaving out the sarky master-baiting)
> "... synchronicities as related to DQ .... can you explain their
> relationship to evolutionary psych?"

Is "sarky master-baiting" intended as insult? Looks that way. 

> Two levels ...
> 
> Firstly, that Jung (and follower like Maslow) also made the same connections.
> 
> Secondly, I guess I saying that what we see as time and causation is a
> culturally conditioned (evolved psychology - "everyday common sense")
> of how we have rationalized what we think we see. As Pirsig points out
> other "non-western" cultures have quite different takes on both time
> (the apparent order or relative direction of time between things that
> appear to happen) and causation (dependency, yes, but not necessarily
> all one way.)
> 
> I've not analysed any link between the first and second points.
> 
> Ian

Well, "cause" may be culturally conditioned as is everything we think is 
true, including the concept of truth itself. But, having accepted that truth as
true, there is a group of individuals, namely scientists, who have demonstrated to
most that their truths transcend cultures. Further, their's is a search
for basic, transcultural causes to whatever phenomena they happen to be studying,
only many of them refer to such causes as "mechanisms."

This leads me to one of my favorite passages in Lila. From Chapter 11:

"But after reading it Phaedrus wrote on one of his slips, 'It seems clear that no
mechanistic pattern exists toward which life is heading, but has the question been
taken up of whether life is heading away from mechanistic patterns?'

"He guessed that the question had not been taken up at all. The concepts necessary
for talking it up were not at hand. In a metaphysics in which static universal laws
are considered fundamental, the idea that life is evolving away from any law just
draws a baffled question mark. It doesn't make any sense." 

Platt


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