[MD] dualism redux (Kevin's response to Ham, Part 2)

[Kevin Perez]

Hello Ham,
 
> > Sounds like you see reality as finite, non-dualistic
> > and not absolute.
> 
> No, EXISTENCE is finite, primarily dualistic, and secondarily multiplistic).
> The ultimate SOURCE of existence is absolute (undifferentiated).
 
Thanks for the clarification.  Could you, in plain, non-essentialism language
elaborate on the meaning of "the ultimate source?"  How does one find this
meaning?
 
> Commenting on my assertion than man is the Choicemaker, you say:
> > Correct to a point.  The concept of tabula rasa goes
> > only so far.  Ham, I can't agree with you on this because
> > I see people as more than biological machines, or blank
> > slates at birth.  The more correct view, imo, is both nature
> > and nurture.
> 
> I don't know what being "correct to a point" means, since correctness and
> incorrectness is another dualism.  People are organic creatures with
> proprietary value-awareness and some degree of intellect.  Stripped of their
> organic being they are nothing -- not even a blank slate.  Being-aware is an
> irreducible dichotomy, as I said above.
 
People are organic and biological.  This is a correct point.  The more is people
are so much more than this.  For me, all people are sacred children of God,
each with the indwelling spirit of the source of all and valuable beyond
comprehension.
 
> I also threw a rhetorical question at you:
> > If the universe is a "moral system" programmed
> > to evolve toward "betterness," then what role does
> > the individual play in this world?
> 
> To which you replied:
> > It's both/and, imo.  Both the cosmic connection
> > established by Reality and the moral system
> > established by people.  It's about the interaction
> > between both.
> 
> The "cosmic connection" is Value (see above).
 
Agreed...to a point.  I prefer different language.  If I had to choose a word to give
to the source of all I would choose a word like Love.  Or maybe a word that
somehow connotes the inability to define.  Maybe a word that can be spoken
without the use of the tongue or the lips, so as to not "construct" the word.
Maybe a word that emodies breath or breathing.
 
> How individuals perceive
> Value determines how society shapes its moral system.  But relative values
> are as provisional as our social interaction; they are finite perceptions of
> the infinite source which disappear when we cease to exist.
 
And I'm drawn back to Love.  There's something universal about the love
expressed between people.  Nothing provisional about that.
 
> By the way, I continue to exist in the northeastern suburbs of Philly.
> (Downingtown is about two hours west of here on the turnpike.)
 
Sounds like Bucks County.  Maybe a get together near King of Prussia.
 
> Thanks, Kevin, and have a great weekend.
 
Thank you Ham.
 

Kevin
 

 
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