[MD] Dualism and Eagleton's God Delusion

[david buchanan]

Ian said to dmb:
...surely the experience of DQ, the art of the possible, is about as real as 
it gets?

dmb says:
That begs the question. My objection is that one can't rightly equate "the 
possible" with DQ precisely because DQ is known in experience while "the 
possible" is outside of experience. Again, we can imagine what might be the 
case and those speculations are actual and real but they refer to that which 
is still outside of experience. "The possible" is a sign that refers to 
nothing. We can ever know "the possible" in experience because if we did it 
would not be "the possible". When we know it in experience it is actual. It 
no longer merely possible.

I think the whole idea makes about as much sense as putting butter in a gun.

If Sneddon's view is fairly represented by David M's comments on the topic, 
which stikes me as very unlikely, then I guess I'd have to disagree with him 
too. My guess is that a decent idea was badly translated by David M and we'd 
all be well served by some quotes from the original. How much do you want to 
bet that Sneddon could be used against the things David M is saying here? 
I'd bet nearly a dollar and I haven't even read it yet. Seriously, man, I've 
got 87 cents and I'm willing to put it all on the line.

Ian also said:
It's kinda so obvious (to me) and equally obvious that DMB is not DuMB, that 
I feel I must be missing DMB's particular point ? What are we missing DMB 
(is thus just a linguistic argument over the word
"real" maybe)?

dmb says:
Well, its just as obvious to me and that's why we disagee. And I hardly 
think a dispute about what constitutes reality is "just" a linguistic 
argument. I disagree with it both logically and metaphysically. It defies 
common sense, common definitions and sounds pretentious as hell to boot. 
Sorry, but I'm not very surprized to learn that the king of drivel thinks 
this nonsense is obvious.

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