[MD] -elitist ideas

[MarshaV]

Arlo,

For some reason your posts are showing up a jumble of words.

The only association that DQ has with morality 
that I will concede to is that the movement 
towards DQ is a movement towards becoming 
unstuck.  But that is quite a lot.  Other then 
that Quality and Dynamic Quality are 
undefinable.  I trust Pirsig on this fact.

Marsha




At 06:08 PM 3/10/2007, you wrote:
>[Marsha] Not Dynamic Quality, but I can imagine 
>Static Quality being about morality. "Good is a 
>noun."  If so, bad is a noun too.  That would be 
>morality. [Arlo] "What is today conventionally 
>called "morality" covers only one of these sets 
>of moral codes, the social-biological code. In a 
>subject­object metaphysics this single 
>social-biological code is considered to be a 
>minor, "subjective," physically non-existent 
>part of the universe. But in the Metaphysics of 
>Quality all these sets of morals, plus another 
>Dynamic morality, are not only real, they are 
>the whole thing." (LILA) "Finally there's a 
>fourth Dynamic morality which isn't a code. He 
>supposed you could call it a "code of Art" or 
>something like that, but art is usually thought 
>of as such a frill that that title undercuts its 
>importance. The morality of the brujo in 
>Zuni-that was Dynamic morality." (LILA) "Dynamic 
>Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of 
>reality, the source of all things, completely 
>simple and always new. It was the moral force 
>that had motivated the brujo in Zuni." (LILA) 
>Both SQ and DQ are about morals. Quality is 
>morality. There is static morality (on the four 
>levels) and Dynamic morality that is eternally 
>outside static patterns. Or, one could say 
>"Dynamic Quality is a moral force". I think what 
>your arguing against is that Dynamic morality is 
>not a hostage of static social moral codes. 
>Absolutely. Pirsig says, "Dynamic Quality is a 
>higher moral order than static scientific 
>truth". But to say Dynamic Quality is amoral 
>misses, in my opinion, what Pirsig was trying to 
>accomplish. You often quote a passage I think is 
>quite relevant. While sustaining biological and 
>social patterns Kill all intellectual patterns. 
>Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic 
>Quality And morality will be served. It would 
>make little sense to me to propose that 
>following an amoral principle serves morality. 
>"Follow Dynamic Quality"... "Follow that vague 
>sense of 'betterness'"... and because Quality is 
>moral, "morality will be served". moq_discuss 
>mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. 
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org 
>Archives: 
>http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ 
>http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/