[MD] Quantum computing

[skutvik at online.no]

Dearest Magnus

On 16 Mar. you wrote:

> Why don't you stop re-phrasing Pirsig and yourself and start answering
> some of my questions instead? Every time I've asked you a specific
> question about a problem I see, you simply don't answer.

Are we to stop citing Pirsig and talking about the MOQ? It seems 
that few enough people - even at this site - concern themselves 
with it these days, but quip and quibble about anything BUT the 
MOQ. 

> Need I remind you of the difference between philosophy and
> philosophology?

The day the MOQ is part of academica and Pirsig is a household 
word you may quip like that, but as it is with a mere handful of 
people knowing about the  MOQ it's not very appropriate to start 
undermining it with weird interpretations and new levels. OK, I 
have my intellectual issue, but I use Pirsigs reasoning to point out 
that SOL interpretation is MOQ's very heart and soul. 

And as said I clearly see where you veer off course, as shown in 
the post below. Your social value is about organization models 
and the technicalities behind it, but when one sees the 3rd. level 
in light of what its role is regarding biology and intellect's vs 
society, its true value emerges.    

Bo


 
> skutvik at online.no wrote:

> > Platt, Magnus and All
> > 
> > I agree with Platt on this issue, but I think Magnus is into a blind
> > alley of his own. Social quality isn't about societies rather it is
> > the  value whose purpose is to regulate/control/thwart biological
> > value - the latter most grotesquely categorized as eating and
> > copulating. Social patterns "... are the patterns of culture that
> > the anthropologist study" Pirsig says and the anthros don't study
> > the social traditions of cells in a body or of bees in a hive. But
> > there is no human culture without strong regulations/ limitations on
> > the biological aspect of existence. For instance religions'
> > obsession with limiting sexual license and rules about food and
> > general behavior, dress codes ...etc. just to mention a small aspect
> > of this social juggernaut.   
> > 
> > We also see how mistaken Magnus is regarding social value  
> > when we look to intellectual value whose purpose is - in turn - to
> > regulate/ control/thwart social value. In no possible way can we see
> > that intellect interferes with bodies and/or anthills or hinders the
> > general formation of human societies, but very much how its
> > individual rights, worth and freedom, judicial and social, democracy
> > ..etc constantly butt against the most "social" culture there is:
> > The islamic one.       
> > 
> > Magnus' claim of gaining explanatory power by seeing "societies" all
> > over the place is not an increase in MOQ's explanatory power - that
> > he leaves in ruins - but perhaps in scientific such, and much has
> > been achieved by sociology and perhaps physics by seeing things that
> > way, but in that case he is re-inventing the wheel. Anyway, we are
> > committed to leave science - or the STATIC intellectual level - in
> > favor of the MOQ meta-level. Well, Magnus is not the only one who
> > loiter around there.               
> > 
> > IMO
> > 
> > Bo
> >