[MD] experience

[ARLO J BENSINGER JR]

[Kevin]
Are you saying the MOQ demonstrates how inanimate objects experience reality? 
Please elaborate.

[Arlo]
The MOQ posits that inorganic patterns of value "experience" inorganic value.

[Kevin]
What I saw in those eight definitions was language that spoke to human
experience.  I saw nothing that would lead a person to understand that
experience was anything other than personal.

[Arlo]
Which would make you a subjectivist. If Quality does not exist prior to
bio-social patterns, we are back to SOM. A subject "experiences" a value-less
world. Because you can't have value without experience. And if we hold that
there are inorganic patterns of value, then there must be inorganic value
experience.

"Human experience" is a complex interweaving of
inorganic-biological-social-intellectual experience. Of course a rock
"experiences" nothing like this, but it does experience inorganic value.

[Kevin]
I hear you saying inanimate objects don't have personal experiences.  But I'm
still not clear on what you mean when you say things like, "I attribute
value/experience from Quantum Physics to the tiny quanta themselves."...

[Arlo]
I said inorganic patterns do not experience bio-socio-intellectual value, what
you call a human "personal experience". But I do attribute "experience" to
inorganic patterns, an experience defined solely within the inorganic level.

[Kevin]
... and "Reality/experience does not begin with "life", it begins when tiny
inorganic patterns arrange themselves along the same principle ("it's better
here") as do latter arriving amoebas, platypi, humans, cities and Physics."

[Arlo]
Quality, the experience of value, is the fundamental Source. As such it exists
not just "from man on", but prior to man, prior to biology, all the way down to
the tiniest of inorganic particles.

[Kevin]
What would an impersonal definition of experience look like?

[Arlo]
A rock falling when exposed to gravity.