[MD] What's missing?

[Case]

[Bo]
SOM or - as Pirsig says - "intellectual patterns" Have you been asleep long?


[Case]
Actually it would seem I do not get nearly enough sleep. Call me wooley
headed but I thought Pirsig was making the point that the Greeks were the
first rationalists. That is they engaged not just in intellect but rule
based intellect. 

[Bo]
If - as Pirsig said to me - warnings about crocodiles and promises of reward
from Jahveh, is SOM-intellect then anything goes.

[Case]
To the extent that Jews said following the law would lead to a good life, I
suppose. They did not have much of a concept of an afterlife. Their laws for
how to behave had stood and continue to stand the test of time as an
incredibly successful way for a people and their culture to survive. Jews
have been called a lot of things but non-intellectual is not one of them.

[Bo]
I know you are busy speaking with the whole gang simultaneously but try to
read this - I delivered it to Magnus because you two have de-railed at the
social issue and sees societies all over the place (I guesss I said
something about it to you too, but who reads long posts?) The social value
level is NOT about survival strategies and/or organization of societies. 
It's primary concern is to free existence from the constraints of the
biological level and because bees, ants or apes displays no such qualities
they are not of the social LEVEL.

[Case]
A society most certainly is an evolutionary survival strategy. If you wish
to redefine it as something else fine I suppose. After all the development
of personal private languages is not uncommon on this forum. Societies of
bees, ants, even flocks of birds and herds of cattle all form in ways to
enhance the survival of the young. This includes rules for breeding and
feeding and the interactions between members of the respective societies.
Primate social groups are remarkably like ours. In fact you could say we
represent a portion of the continuum of the set of primate social patterns.
That would be because we are primates.

[Bo]
While there is no human culture without strong regulations/limitations on
the biological aspect of existence. For instance the Semitic religions'
obsession with sexual matters, their endless rules about food, dress codes
(for women particularly) circumcision, and general behavior. Ref. the Torah
and the said "holy texts".  

[Case]
Evolutionary success is usually measured in terms of survival. Jewish
culture is among the oldest and longest lived in human history. Their
culture continues despite centuries of effort to stomp it out. I would
hardly call practitioners of the faith anti-intellectual for flowing it.
   
[Bo]
Is this what you have gleaned from reading about SOM in ZMM? 
No wonder you see no purpose with the static hirarchy and in the MOQ at all.
Wonder why you still are among so many nit-wits? 
But for all who have seen the immense power of the DQ/SQ divide and the
static levels it plain to see that SOM is missing from the ancient texts.
The objective - scientific - attitude, no skeptics asking for a natural
explanations and claiming that the prophetic stuff were subjective nonsense.
It's plain as day.  

[Case]
Sounds like someone fell asleep next to one of the pods.

[Bo]
Is it my interpretation or Pirsig's presentation of the MOQ you call 
drivel? If it's mine I don't mind much, coming from an anti-
MOQist its rather a badge of honor. 

[Case]
In this case, yours. But I have called the evolution chapter of Lila drivel
several times. And I have also frequently stated the whole levels things is
a secondary distraction.

[Bo]
I could come up with much more that support my interpretation, 
but if the MOQ is rubbish to you it would be pearls before swine.

[Case]
You quote Pirsig as gospel then throw in a quote from the gospel. Nice
touch.