[MD] Clouds

[Micah]

Jos,

Your starting assumption of "AOI" existing rests on the premise of "I".

"AOI" cannot exist without first having "I" - removing "I" therefore removes
the possibility of "AOI" existing (notice the "I" in "AOI"). Further "AOI"
is non-thing.

Proving something doesn't exist is not possible; proving something does,
is - you are asking me to prove nothing.


Micah


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Laycock, Jos (OSPT)
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:31 AM
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds


An honest attempt thus follows:

If we remove the theoretical "I" from an equation it seems a reasonable
assumption that the result will be "absence of I". This absent state can
then be regarded as an entity (AOI).
With the starting assumption that AOI exists I can then require the
questioner to prove its non existence, rather than the other way around.

Micah, please prove that my non-existence does not exist in absence of my
existence?

Clearly this AOI is an example of a "thing" that exists independently of me
and will be present after my death, better than that it is actively "proved"
by my non-existence - the deader I am the more strongly the case is made.

Jos





> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 19 March 2007 16:14
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> Subject: Re: [MD] Clouds
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> Case,
>
> Will you at least answer the question? Or are you a Solipsist?
>
> Micah
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Case
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:11 AM
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
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>
>
> [Micah]
> "I" can't prove anything without "I", can you? I can't prove
> anything after
> death, can you?
>
> [Case]
> That is as good a statement of solipsism as I have heard yet. Thanks.
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