[MD] FW: Quantum weirdness

[Hamilton Priday]

Hi Case --


[Ham]:
> My understanding of symmetry, as related to evolution, is that state at
> which all of the force and energy in the universe is dissipated or spent,
> and what remains of universal matter is at rest.  This state is referred 
> to as entropy and, according to the laws of thermodynamics, it is the 
> final state toward which the universe is inexorably moving.  For anything 
> to happen once entropy is reached, a new source of energy
> is required.  Yet, you are suggesting that symmetry sparked the Big Bang,
> that a balanced energy system gave rise to an asymmetrical universe whose
> energy forces were then unbalanced.  How can that be?

[Case]:
> As far as I know symmetry has little or nothing to do with entropy. What I
> was referring to is that physicists have shown that the forces of nature 
> are equivalent at higher energies. The electrical force combines with the
> magnetic force and they both combine with the weak force and eventually 
> with the strong force. They have thus far been unable to show how this can
> include gravity. I was suggesting that at the big bang all of the matter 
> in our universe was compressed into a single massive point. This is a state 
> of perfect order. If the matter collapses to a small enough point then 
> quantum effects are suspected to be involved. As a result if there was a quantum
> fluctuation of some sort, for example the energy and gravity became high
> enough to make gravity combine with the other forces, then imagine the
> explosion.
>
> As far as I am concern this is the Absolute Source and it is long gone. 
> What is left is condensation.

You are arguing from a temporal perspective in which Creation is viewed as 
an event that occurred 14 billion years ago.  I do not regard Creation as an 
"event" in time, but a constant principle of the absolute source.  Think in 
terms of Pirsig's DQ.  Was Quality also expended at the moment of the Big 
Bang?  It doesn't make sense.

Regards,
Ham