[MD] FW: Quantum weirdness

Tue Mar 27 07:00:00 PDT 2007

Jos,
Sounds a lot like Pirsigs dynamic quality, undefineable, open to
infinate possiblities until
Subject interacts with object and becomes static. 
-ron

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Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness

Me too, I'm just postulating a much larger version of the schoedingers
cat thought experiment, but since macro/micro distinctions are purely in
the eye of the beholder this seems a not unreasonable leap.

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> [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at moqtalk.org]On Behalf Of Ron Kulp
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> Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness
> 
> 
> Jos,
> It most certainly might be, but I have trouble believing the collapsed

> wave into particle Apon perception idea.
> I feel the Heisenburg theory of uncertainy means when you observe 
> phenomena at that level, that  any device you use to measure it works 
> on energy emission plus your presence alters it too The shear 
> gravitational mass of your body effects it also.
> Plus you have
> spacial warping at
> An atomic scale...so Heisenberg stated that we can never really know 
> how particles work Naturally because once they are in proximity to any

> sort of gravitational mass they are Influenced by that mass. So it may

> not be our perception that collapses it into a particle
> >From a wave. Blind people still experience the same
> phenomena but do not
> percieve it in the same
> Fashion, does it mean it is a wave until they experience it? 
> is heat on
> their face from light
> Transferred by wave or particle? Also does photosynthesis happen as a 
> result of partcle interaction Or wave interaction....things start to 
> get dicy when you jump to all"
> matter is a wave until percieved."
> I need alittle more convincing on that one.
> -ron
> 
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> Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness
> 
> Hi Case, Ron
> 
> Since we cant see any outer universal limits owing to prohibitive 
> distances and speeds, it would seem that from a quantum effects point 
> of view, its outer parts must continue to have wave form only ??
> Thus there is no "true" answer to the below question until it is 
> observed. Possibly the universe is both infinite and discreet at the 
> same time??
> 
> 
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> > Subject: Re: [MD] FW: Quantum weirdness
> > 
> > 
> > Case,
> > You are allowed to concede that I have a legitimate point here.
> > I'm not looking for who's right or who's wrong. Just that I have A 
> > valid argument. An argument every bit as valid as the big bang.
> > Perhaps even more. If you can bring greater evidence to the
> table To
> > support the big bang theory I welcome it because as
> impossible as it
> > seems I can't seem to come Up with a reason as to why
> infinate reality
> 
> > is'nt the case.
> > Trust me man, I want you to prove me wrong. That's why I'm
> Harrasing
> > the shit outta you on this.
> > Sincerely,
> > -Ron
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