[MD] What's missing

[skutvik at online.no]

Ron and Group 

On 26 Mar. you wrote:

> The Social level seemed to emerge when the individual competition for
> survival diminished by forming Hunting or gathering groups. 

The upper level's purpose is to free existence from the 
constraints of the former level, thus social value must be seen in 
this context, not as mere grouping together, a beehive is a 
"gathering group" and chimpanzees form hunting parties. Social 
value shows as the first attempts to counter biology's eating, 
proliferation and dying so it's the notion of an existence beyond 
which is the first Q-social pattern.              

> Intellectualizing I feel began with language not communicative for
> Communicative started with labeling. Just when humans began to look at
> their surroundings and Ask why? Is speculative but I think the
> awareness of death played a role as we discussed. Perhaps death
> started the intellectual level and still figures heavily in it.  All
> Religeons are death oriented to give life a meaning. 

You are one level ahead of the MOQ it seems. It's the human 
beings' grasp of a greater context than the biological that 
indicates social value. This may be called awareness of death, 
but as much "defiance of death" and paleontologists regards 
graves (burying rituals) as the  sure sign of culture ("social 
patterns" in our lingo) This was not religion as we know the term, 
only after tens of thousand of years did theism arrive. 

And only after THAT did DQ begin its task to free existence from 
the social constraint and ZMM describes how it began with the 
first Greek thinkers' search for eternal principles something that 
ended with the first recognizable forms of intellect's S/O with 
Aristotle. Then more centuries - close to two millenniums really - 
before intellect began to dominate the Western (social) culture in 
its final subject/object form.           

> MOQ is life oriented and perhaps Why it feels like a budding 5th.

Well, at least it is a "meta-level" that contains the MOQ. It 
displays some level-like characteristics regarding its parent - 
intellect -  but I would not call it a static level because it contains 
DQ as well. I know I am at my wits end here, but claiming that 
Quality is outside the MOQ is even further out.    

IMO

Bo