[MD] What's missing

[MarshaV]

At 09:49 PM 3/29/2007, you wrote:
>Marsha,
>
>MV:
>I was suggesting that one can have a direct, nondualistic experience
>that is prior to, or separate from, intellect.   But then when you
>try to think or talk about it, you get tangled in the culture's
>dualistic static pattern of value.
>
>Mati: Bingo!!!!, and this analysis of the dualistic static pattern of value
>is the basis for philosophy. And when this static pattern is used to define
>reality from a rational context we have intellect.  Now this pattern may
>seem cold and .... static, but.... I has also given us the capacity to come
>full circle and allow us to recognize the undivided reality of the moon
>being the moon.
>
>MV:
>It seems to me that intellect coexists with language, snip....
>
>Mati: As it does with the social values.
>
>MV: ... and in the West they are both predicated on a subject/object
>point-of-view.   I've wondered about your question too.  Maybe there are
>non-Western cultures that are not built on dualistic understanding.  Poetry
>is often non-dualistic.  Right?   Native American?  I would love to here
>from other too.
>
>Mati: Sure there are non-dualistic experiences, poetry, art, etc. however as
>you perhaps elude to understanding requires definition and definition
>requires a dualistic capacity to establish meaning that is philosophy. Just
>as the moon is just the moon, philosophy is just philosophy, a beauty all in
>its own.

And mountains are just mountains...   And gold is just gold...  And 
poverty is just poverty.  And war is just war...    Blah, blah, blah...

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