[MD] Heads or tails?

[Krimel]

[David M]
I have no idea why you think the man made is
any less actual than any other actual. I see
it all as a contiuation  of the pouring forth
started without human beings. Our world
of course drips in all this manmade stuff and
language.

[Krimel]
I agree that man and his products grow out of and are part of nature. Thus
"man made" things are both natural and actual. But man made things are the
intrusion of our idealizations into nature. They are nature re-formed into
structures and functions that could never take shape in their own. In a
sense that world dripping with stuff and verbiage is a consensual
hallucination; to borrow a phrase from William Gibson.

[David M]
Conflict between different views is obvious,
views are more diverse than ever, we perhaps need
new ways to cope with this diversity?

[Krimel]
I don't know tolerance has had a pretty good track record when it isn't in
short supply.  It seems like you can usually increase tolerance by
decreasing polarization. I mean, can't we all just get along?