[MD] Heads or tails?

[David M]

Hi Ian/Krim

Science was made possible by the concepts
created by philosophy, without metaphysics/theories/language there is no way
to organise the data into potential facts. Is SOM the only
metaphysics compatible with science, MOQ suggests otherwise.

David M

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Heads or tails?


> Krimel, Platt, Ham,
>
> The thread I saw, went ..
>
> [Ham]
> You are an objectivist who speaks the language of Science.  Metaphysics is
> not now, nor was it ever, "testable".  It is precisely this "modern usage"
> of objective data that has blinded us to philosophical enlightenment.
>
> [Krimel]
> I know you are but what am I? Metaphysics that are not testable are
> irrelevant. It is just snake oil. Philosophical enlightenment? OMG is that 
> a
> joke or something? Is that what you actually think you are selling? Honey,
> please...
>
> [Platt]
>> Spoken like a true believer in scientism.
>>
>
> Not sure exactly what the label "Scientism" means Krimel, but I find
> myself agreeing with Ham and Platt.
>
> I'm not defending Ham's essentialism, but a metaphysics is not
> "testable" in the falsifiable "scientific method" sense but is
> indirectly testable by its fit with everything else observable, and
> all manner of related inductive and deductive reasoning.
>
> Precious little is "testable" in the real world, the world is not a
> science lab, so it's a non issue. To recognise that, is "enlightened"
> in the sense Ham used the phrase you dubbed "snake oil".
>
> Platt, and Ham I'm sure, fall on pseudo scientific logic when it suits
> their rhetoric, everyone does - it's our "addiction" to the objective
> argument. It's very hard to avoid, if you want to sound serious and
> credible - a problem I don't suffer from in DMB's eyes ;-)
>
> Now what was the actual argument ?
>
> Ian
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