[Ian] BTW I 've had my suspicions that Platt Holden (The Old Plant) is none other than uncle Bob's on-line persona playing with our heads :-) Though the recent appearance of Krimel leads me to suspect Case as second favourite. [Krimel] I am definitely not RMP but Case... I don't know. He got chastised a lot for bad mouthing Pirsig but it could have been a front.