[MD] Collective intelligence
pholden at davtv.com
pholden at davtv.com
Mon May 14 13:31:37 PDT 2007
Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:
> Platt, Arlo
>
> [Platt]
> My cat has a self, a very individual, unique self. You don't have to be human
> to be a self. A dog's response to a fire is not DQ; it's a static biological
> pattern.
>
> [Arlo]
> I have no idea how you reconcile those two statements. You cat has no concept
> of "self", it responds only biologically. It has no culture, and therefore it
> does not think, and therefore it has no "I am".
>
> You Platt (a human so far as we can tell) see that your cat has a
> self, "a personality" but there is evidence (in antelope) that Arlo is
> right, in that animals themselves appear to have no useful conception
> of their own self.
>
> Aaah but language, there's the rub ... for another day maybe.
>
> Ian
My cat has all the attributes of a "self" except complex language. But "himself"
has no problem communicating his needs to me.
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