[MD] Collective intelligence

[ian glendinning]

Hi Platt, leaving cat language itself aside, as I suggested ...

What the cat can communicate with you is one thing, but I doubt the
cat has any conception of itself to communicate in any way. Like, I
doubt your cat could communicate the difference between "I'm hungry"
and "this similar cat next to me is hungry".

You, a relatively intelligent human - relative to your cat that is ;-)
- infer the cat is talking about itself because it is "talking", and
the two of you have some learned behaviors.

Your cat (my cat too) has all the attributes of self except the
slightest evidence it can even conveive of it itself, let alone
communicate it.

Ian

On 5/14/07, pholden at davtv.com <pholden at davtv.com> wrote:
> Quoting ian glendinning <psybertron at gmail.com>:
>
> > Platt, Arlo
> >
> > [Platt]
> > My cat has a self, a very individual, unique self. You don't have to be human
> > to be a self. A dog's response to a fire is not DQ; it's a static biological
> > pattern.
> >
> > [Arlo]
> > I have no idea how you reconcile those two statements. You cat has no concept
> > of "self", it responds only biologically. It has no culture, and therefore it
> > does not think, and therefore it has no "I am".
> >
> > You Platt (a human so far as we can tell) see that your cat has a
> > self, "a personality" but there is evidence (in antelope) that Arlo is
> > right, in that animals themselves appear to have no useful conception
> > of their own self.
> >
> > Aaah but language, there's the rub ... for another day maybe.
> >
> > Ian
>
> My cat has all the attributes of a "self" except complex language. But "himself"
> has no problem communicating his needs to me.
>
>
>
>
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