[MD] Animals and Dynamic Quality

[pholden at davtv.com]

Quoting "Laycock, Jos (OSPT)" <Jos.Laycock at OFFSOL.GSI.GOV.UK>:

> Hi Platt
> 
> Keeping it short:
> 
> Tides are a static pattern, 
> 
> "Sperarated by derivative order" Means one's derived from the other, fundamentally
> separate in terms of pattern but identical in terms of constituent.,

Sorry. I still don't understand. 

> The biological level elements of what an animal is are static patterns, any
> cultual level elements are also static patterns, and and so on into more complex
> animals. Patterns at all levels are patterns in DQ. I agree with you entirely but
> so what - so is everything else. 

Animals have no culture if that's what you are suggesting. Also, patterns at
all levels are not patterns of DQ. DQ has no pattern. Patterns at all levels
were left in the wake of DQ. 

> On motives - My usage of the word is sloppy, by motive I mean that where a
> preference expressed at a choice point in the direction of "good", that "good" is
> the motive. The reason it happens in one direction rather than another is because
> it has the "motive" to be better. This isn't a static pattern as we are unable to 
> define what that "good" is. (Must be a more succinct way to say that)

The "motive" of evolution according to Pirsig is to increase versatility and
freedom. We see this throughout evolutionary history as consciousness expanded. 
 
> Lila - It sets cultural and intellectual patterns above biological ones, then
> quite separately it assigns humans to the first category and other animals to the
> second. Its the second bit that I'm saying is wrong, the structure and relative
> moralities are the fundamental bit and can be preserved wherever it is that you
> decice a particular entity resides.

Sorry, don't understand. Humans consist of all four levels plus ability to 
respond to DQ. Cats consist of two levels - inorganic and biological. You 
seem to be saying cats can also be intellectuals. But, I'm sure that can't be
what you mean.  


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