[MD] Pirsig and TITs

[David M]

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> [Krimel]
> For Wilber Spirit may equal consciousness but I do not see Quality = 
> Reality
> in the same way. Pirsig, at least to me, is hazy on this. I think Pirsig 
> is
> talking almost exclusively about each individual's experience of reality 
> and
> not external things-in-themselves. He is claiming that experience results 
> in
> the perception of subjects and objects but just exactly what constitutes 
> and
> experience and who can have them is a bit vague.

DM: Is not Pirsig simply saying that all our ideas about reality have to
be derived from experience, this is where we must begin, there is no
great problem postulating that things like the world transcend experience,
but this is always a logical-imaginative postulate derived from experience.
I assert-imagine that my attic has an existence even when I am not in it.



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