[MD] The Trouble With Wilber

[david buchanan]

dmb said:
In Wilber's conception "Spirit" is detectable and natural.

DM asked:
I genuinely enquire, now does he demonstrate this?

dmb answers:
Like Pirsig, he rejects sensory empiricism in favor of a much broader 
empiricism. Then mystical experiences can count as empirical evidence. Its a 
different kind of science and maybe it is still in the process of being 
born, but its still based on experience and peer review.

DM asked: How do interiors fit into the MOQ scheme described by Pirsig?

dmb answers:
Values. Morality. Mysticism. Radical Empricism.

DM: How are complex cognitive structures described in MOQ terms? How are 
advanced forms of consciousness created?

dmb answers:
These structures would be within the 4th level of the MOQ, but they aren't 
named in the MOQ per se. In the same way, the MOQ's social level would have 
several layers within it. And these advanced structures of consciousness are 
created through a process of evolution, just like everything else.

DM said:
But to transcend dualism do we not need to be able to embrace an 
understanding of language that only divides a reality that is ultimately 
one. And what is so difficult about that?

dmb says:
I think there is a difference between grasping a philsophical idea and the 
experience of Nirvana, if that's what you're saying. I mean, linguists 
aren't necessarily mystics.

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