[MD] an authentic teacher?

[jhmau]

On 6 Nov2007 7:44 PM Dallas writes:
 
[Dallas]
But, it is also said that within emptiness lies a luminous intelligence...
That's something that is quite difficult to notice if a mind is particularly
attached to the extremes of either nihilism or eternalism.
 
Hi Dallas and all,
 
I think of evolution. IMO The social order is the order of proprietary
awareness.  The word 'conscience' comes to mind.  Along with the awareness
of ‘emptiness lies a luminous intelligence’.  I would suggest  that
‘luminous intelligence’, ‘conscience’, ‘value’ mean similar things.  Well
said, Dallas!
 
Joe



On 11/6/07 7:44 PM, "Dallas Van Winkle" <dallas.vanwinkle at gmail.com> wrote:

> But, it is also said that within emptiness lies a luminous intelligence...
> That's something that is quite difficult to notice if a mind is particularly
> attached to the extremes of either nihilism or eternalism.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 6, 2007 7:41 PM, Dallas Van Winkle <dallas.vanwinkle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I definitely agree with the death and emptiness thing. In fact, it
>> instantly sheds light on all kinds of cultural consistencies. For example,
>> in popular American culture, there is an overt fear of passivity, a fear of
>> the feminine, a tendency and desire for war like, positive male cultural
>> attributes. Even in intellectual circles where war is denounced, most
>> atheists posit the belief in material, as if that weren't redundant.
>> 
>> And of course, the Christian tradition led us to cover our embarrassments
>> in the shape of laying dirt over corpses. Death is an embarrassment, because
>> it is a reminder of the ultimate nature of our selves, the lack of any kind
>> of absolute reality, i.e. emptiness.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 6, 2007 4:47 PM, Heather Perella <spiritualadirondack at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>>     [SA previously]
>>>> I find death to be very comforting and clear in its'
>>>> direct experience of
>>>> reality.  I really go through high moments of
>>>> clarity during funerals and
>>>> days after funerals.  Some deaths still are strong
>>>> enough that even their
>>>> memories stir a clarity of life
>>>> like no other, one such is my father's. Still, I
>>>> find the need to stay warm
>>>> and cozy during these autumn nights and now that it
>>>> is morning I'd say these
>>>> mornings, too.
>>> 
>>>     [Joe]
>>>> ŒComforting¹ is not a word I associate with death!
>>>> Louise¹s struggles to pay
>>>> attention to nothing but her own emptiness were
>>>> terrifying.  A friend¹s son
>>>> met death in a motorcycle accident because his body
>>>> was so broken he was
>>>> unable to experience anything but emptiness. Such
>>>> clarity is not comforting!
>>> 
>>>     Yes, I would agree with you that associating
>>> emptiness and comforting would conclude non-comfort.
>>> Notice I didn't associate my experience of death with
>>> emptiness.  To have a void such as emptiness involved
>>> with death would be uncomfortable I would assume.  I
>>> don't have this sense of emptiness at this moment for
>>> those that have died in my life.
>>> 
>>>    [Joe]
>>>> IMO death can only happen to one who has been forced
>>>> to stare at emptiness
>>>> either by force or willingly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>    Death only happens by staring at emptiness?
>>> Please explain.  I don't understand.
>>> 
>>>    [Joe]
>>>> For myself Œcomforting¹ is not a word I
>>>> associate with emptiness.  Death is no teacher,
>>>> Christ notwithstanding.
>>> 
>>>    Why do you associated death with emptiness?  This
>>> is unique to me.  Please help me understand your
>>> perspective.
>>>     To me everything I experience is a teacher.  Even
>>> suffering, pain, and Hiroshima have much to teach.  To
>>> be a teacher, to me, is something that does not
>>> necessarily have to make somebody happy and numb to
>>> sadness.  A teacher may induce crying tears from time
>>> to time.
>>>    Also, what do you mean by "...Christ
>>> notwithstanding."
>>> 
>>> thank you.
>>> 
>>> woods,
>>> SA
>>> 
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