[MD] subject/object: pragmatism CORRECTION

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Ian
 
7 Nov. you wrote:

(Bo)
> > And as Ian agrees he ought to be right too, but then it sounds as if
> > there are other intellectual pattern that are subservient to SOM.
> > This makes intellect=ideas, the very obstacle to understanding the
> > MOQ
 
> IG
> Hmm, no, here "intellect" is GOF-Intellect, SOMist intellect. Wider
> Quality-Intellect is indeed much more

The problem is transferring the limitless SOM-intellect (=mind) to 
the MOQ where the 4th. level is limited to the S/O distinction 
(there are countless derivative, yet "limited" in the said sense)
All static levels are limited - that's the very idea - so why should 
the 4th. be limitless?

> IG
> Well yes, saying objectivism, is to make the distinction re subjects.

Fine, I may be a bit pedantic ;-)

> IG
> Back to our only recurring point of contention I believe - you want to
> keep level 4 simple - for it to mean simply SOMism. I say SOMism just
> part of Level-4 (and Level-3 combined) and which continues to evolve
> away from GOF-SOM-Intellect to higher more enlightened quality forms
> of "reason" ...

Looking back on ZAMM from the MOQ the Greek part is about 
the emergence of SOM, that much we agree on ..no? If so what 
is the Aretê that SOM displaces? These things must have a level 
relevance ...no? 

To me it's about intellect's emergence from its social origin, no 
twist of logic can turn it into the social level spawning a "social 
SOM" that becomes an "intellectual SOM".......if not this means 
you applying the MOQ tenet of a level starting as a rebel pattern 
of the former before taking off on a purpose of its own. If so we 
have agreement.        

Bo