[MD] subject/object: pragmatism

[Ron Kulp]

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From: moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org [mailto:moq_discuss-bounces at lists.moqtalk.org] On Behalf Of Matt Kundert
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism


Hey Ron,

Ron said:
Matt, if Quality is reality which equates to experience is reality,
Would you agree that pre-intellect would equate to pre-experience
At this angle?


Matt:
No, I don't think so.  I'm not sure what angle you're at, but pre-intellect being pre-experience sounds like idealism, the kind Pirsig flirted with in his discourse on ghosts in the beginning of ZMM, because if experience is reality, then before intellect there was nothing.  I don't think that's right.  One of the things we know about the world, through experience, is that it's been around a lot longer than us, language and a lot of other things.

Ron:
But it might be a property of any organism which use any symbol system to understand their environment. It would be a matter of complexity.

We are going to have to define intellect as more than symbol manipulation.
It must be defined in terms of abstract thought application OR SOMETHING.

Thoughts?

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