[MD] Chan and qi/eastern intellect

[Ron Kulp]

[Dwai]

I think it's very important to emphasize the point that people don't
"Realize" anything (at least not in the spiritual realm) intellectually.
This realization has to transcend intellect (at the very least in the
written form or as is commonly understood these days), since intellect
is an artificial construct (based on syntax that is artificial).

 

The Taoists, Tantrics, Yogis, etc have always recommended experiential
realization as the true medium. Chi can be talked about for hours but
even the slightest experience of it will dispel all misconceptions about
what it really is.

 

 

Akshay:

1. In relation to whether Upanishadic philosophy can be classified as

"intellectual" or not:

 

The answer is "to a certain extent". In Hindu tradition, the mind is
often

grouped along with the five senses, and so the (mystic's) goal is to not

only still the senses but also the mind, which means the very thought

patterns. However, this absolute inhibition of the senses is a
peculiarly

Hindu idea (or so it seems to me) and this lacuna exists in that the
Vedic

tradition considers the senses and the mind more as a tool rather than
an

enemy. So, the important thing to understand here is that *thought is
only a

tool*, just as sight is a tool, because without the faculty of sight, my

conceptions of the world would be way different. The ultimate goal is to

realise Purusha (according to the Samkhya school) or Brahman (according

to the Vedanta schools).

 

Hence, if I am permitted to make such an addition to the MoQ,
Upanishadic

philosophy seems to transcend the intellectual patterns of SQ into the

"spiritual patterns of SQ".

 

 

[Ron]

All of this seems to support Bo's understanding and my own as well.

 MoQ is more an awareness rather than an intellectual pattern as a rule.

It stresses experience over intellectual prejudices.


Interesting, Bo called it a "Q" awareness which guides SOM.

He also postulated that it in some way transcends intellect 

in this manner just as Akshay and Dwai suggest.

It transcends its own conceptual levels.

 

p.s. Welcome Dwai 

 

 

 

Thoughts?