[MD] subject/object: pragmatism CORRECTION

[David M]

Ian

thanks for clarification.

DM

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From: "ian glendinning" <psybertron at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] subject/object: pragmatism CORRECTION


> Hi David,
> 
> Hmmm ... bit of a context problem here. Clearly yes.
> 
> Let's back up a mo.
> I was saying there is very little to distinguish the social and
> intellectual levels - very little that's hard and fast defintionally
> ... other than perhaps - the dominance of concvention and authority at
> the social end.
> 
> Almost all the evolutionary processes and mechanisms in the
> socio-politico-intellectual continuum are the same, and yes these
> include cooperation as well as competition amongst memes (information
> replicators) just like the living (biological) level depends on those
> same bag of mechanisms amongst the genes (information replicators).
> 
> So back to the specific satement ...
> Authority and convention can indeed incorporate "cooperation" - but
> it's a matter of history - the convention may include cooperation, but
> is accepted as right by conventional authority, simply forgetting
> whether the convention arose from either a habit or a rationale of
> cooperation, and is now used socially without questioning the
> rationalization.
> 
> In the same way as authority / convention / habit dominate at the
> social end, questioning dominates at the intellectual end. But even
> questioning cannot always link a chain of reasoning to "first cause"
> so there is always a social element to intellect, a point of
> instinctual or delegated trust & habit that needn't be questioned (in
> the current pragmatic context). To do so is called analysis paralysis.
> 
> Ooops ... dunno where that came from.
> Ian
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/9/07, David M <davidint at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > IG - Agree ... no confusion there .... society is about "authority"
>> > and "convention"
>> >
>>
>> DM: Any place for cooperation?
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