[MD] What all is about.

[David M]

Guess who just got back today?

Them wild-eyed boys that had been away

Haven't changed, have much to say

But man, I still think them cats are crazy

The boys are back in town

The boys are back in town

I said

The boys are back in town

Thin Lizzy....

go boys...

DM

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <ajb102 at psu.edu>
To: <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] What all is about.


> [Platt]
> Excellent point. Simply saying "I care" says nothing. What one cares FOR 
> is the
> grabber.
>
> [Arlo]
> And that's exactly what I was saying, exactly what Pirsig addresses in 
> ZMM.
>
> [Platt]
> Not only our live-for-the-moment world but our active 
> condemn-everything-in
> -the-past world, with the U.S. pegged as the great Satan.
>
> [Arlo]
> Looking past the moronic right-wing rhetoric, both condemning everything 
> in the
> past, and uncritically glorifying it, are both low quality endeavors. As 
> well
> as both pegging the U.S as the great Satan or masturbating about how it is 
> is
> Holy and Righteous and has does (or can do) no wrong. But again, when 
> these are
> the only options droned by low-quality ideologues, no matter which path 
> one
> chooses one becomes mired in ridiculously low-quality rhetoric.
>
> Far be it from me to point out that the majority of what I wrote was 
> precisely
> Pirsig's recognition (and my agreement) that there has been a slow, steady
> decline in modern life due to Quality, as a metaphysical reality, being 
> absent
> from the foundation. A decline I have _agreed_ with you both is evidenced 
> by
> the problems you have both articulated (hell, I even talked about "thugs"
> getting multiplatinum records... )
>
> But hey, why bother to read what I actually write... The problem, of 
> course, is
> that you want to selective point out problems and ascribe them to evil
> liberalism. Pirsig offers a broader context. A context, problem, and 
> solution,
> I feel, that is far more valuable. So yes, you both touch on a profound
> problem, THE profound problem of ZMM, but quick turn and run when anything 
> but
> evil liberals is brought under the gun.
>
> [Platt]
> Indeed, many values have been lost to the ever-attractive feel good forces 
> of
> the biological domain.
>
> [Arlo]
> Exactly. And if you keep looking at this, and what the root of this is, 
> and how
> it relates to the broader issue of SOM; from labor alienation to 
> consumerism to
> social darwinism to the devaluation (and devolution) of art to our 
> unending
> fixation with both celebrity and wealth... then maybe there would be hope 
> that
> "futurism or archaism" would not be the only options you present.
>
> And that's a dialogue I would love to have.
>
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